Kitzhaber to pitch plan to lower Medicaid costs to govs.

SALEM, Ore. (AP) — Oregon Gov. John Kitzhaber will brief other state leaders this weekend on his plan to lower Medicaid costs, touting an overhaul that President Barack Obama highlighted in his State of the Union address for its potential to lower the deficit even as health care expenses climb.
The Oregon Democrat leaves for Washington, D.C., on Friday to pitch his plan that changes the way doctors and hospitals are paid and improves health care coordination for low income residents so that treatable medical problems don't grow in severity or expense.
Kitzhaber says his goal is to win over a handful of other governors from each party.
"I think the politics have been dialed down a couple of notches, and now people are willing to sit down and talk about how we can solve the problem" of rising health care costs, Kitzhaber told The Associated Press in a recent interview.
Kitzhaber introduced the plan in 2011 in the face of a severe state budget deficit, and he's been talking for two years about expanding the initiative beyond his state. Now, it seems he's found people ready to listen.
Hospital executives from Alabama visited Oregon last month to learn about the effort. And the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services announced Thursday that it's giving Oregon a $45 million grant to help spread the changes beyond the Medicaid population and share information with other states, making it one of only six states to earn a State Innovation Model grant.
Kitzhaber will address his counterparts at a meeting of the National Governors Association. His talk isn't scheduled on the official agenda, but a spokeswoman confirmed that Kitzhaber is expected to present.
"The governors love what they call stealing from one another — taking the good ideas and the successes of their colleagues and trying to figure out how to apply that in their home state," said Matt Salo, director of the National Association of Medicaid Directors.
There's been "huge interest" among other states in Oregon's health overhaul, Salo said, not because the concepts are brand new, but because the state managed to avoid pitfalls that often block health system changes.
Kitzhaber persuaded state lawmakers to redesign the system of delivering and paying for health care under Medicaid, creating incentives for providers to coordinate patient care and prevent avoidable emergency room visits. He has long complained that the current financial incentives encourage volume over quality, driving costs up without making people healthier.
Obama, in his State of the Union address this month, suggested that changes such as Oregon's could be part of a long-term strategy to lower the federal debt by reigning in the growing cost of federally funded health care.
"We'll bring down costs by changing the way our government pays for Medicare, because our medical bills shouldn't be based on the number of tests ordered or days spent in the hospital — they should be based on the quality of care that our seniors receive," Obama said.
The Obama administration has invested in the program, putting up $1.9 billion to keep Oregon's Medicaid program afloat over the next five years while providers make the transition to new business models and incorporate new staff and technology.
In exchange, though, the state has agreed to lower per-capita health care cost inflation by 2 percentage points without affecting quality.
The Medicaid system is unique in each state, and Kitzhaber isn't suggesting that other states should adopt Oregon's specific approach, said Mike Bonetto, Kitzhaber's health care policy adviser. Rather, he wants governors to buy into the broad concept that the delivery system and payment models need to change.
That's not a new theory. But Oregon has shown that under the right circumstances massive changes to deeply entrenched business models can gain wide support.
What Oregon can't yet show is proof the idea is working — that it's lowering costs without squeezing on the quality or availability of care. The state is just finishing compiling baseline data that will be used as a basis of comparison.
One factor driving the Obama administration's interest in Oregon's success is the president's health care overhaul. Under the Affordable Care Act, millions more Americans will join the Medicaid rolls after Jan. 1, and the health care system will have to be able to absorb the influx of patients in a logistically and financially sustainable way.
The federal government will pay 100 percent of the costs for those additional patients in the first three years before scaling back to 90 percent in 2020 and beyond.
"There are a lot of governors who are facing the same challenges we're facing in Oregon," Kitzhaber said. "They recognize that the cost of health care is something they're going to have to get their arms around."
Copyright 2013 The Associated Press.
I have a friend who receives medicaid. She is very conscientious about how she uses her benefits. She has many health issues. So far, this new plan has removed her dr. who is willing to take medicaid from the approved list. She now has to drive about 40 miles (driving is one of her medical limitations due to her handicaps) to see a dr. who is now rerunning tests and redoing procedures. Her other dr. had already tried and eliminated these since they didn't work for her. Because of these changes she is now more handicapped than before and is working even fewer hours.Â
I think medicaid should be like regular insurance in its penalties of using ER. If you show  up in ER having a heart attack the visit is covered. If you show up with a cold you will need to pay a significant portion of the bill. I have had insurance that will charge you quite a bit if you use ER for non life threatening things like stitches if you had the option to go to an urgent care or drs. office but will cover it if it is the middle of the night and there is no other option. Stitches have a time limit and often if something requires stitches it also needs cleaning or other attention although it is often not life threatening. Broken bones also fell into the same type of situation.
I find $350 for blood pressure and weight a little high. So kitz wants to have people pay more like a tax
I am a little confused since from what I am experiencing and what I hear everything Obama and others have done have simply increased the health costs for those who actually pay the bill...am I missing something here when I don't believe what he wants to do will lower health care costs for anyone except those who were not already paying and still won't be?
Kitzhabers plan includes lots of federal money which is the only way it will work. If course that will require China to loan us money to pay for 0bamaCare.
Anybody have Kaiser stories
Kitz supports abortion and repeals the death penalty. No elected official     or their offspring will have obamacare.
I work in the healthcare industry and deal with people whose costs are covered by everything from out-of-pocket (uninsured) to those on Medicaid. Â Thousand of those on Medicaid use emergency rooms in lieu of urgent care or immediate care clinics for things like colds, headaches, fevers, sprains, upset stomachs, mild cuts/scratches and toothaches because so many primary care physicians limit the number of Medicaid patients they'll see. Â Face it: Â If you could make $325 from one patient or $100 from another for the same effort........yeah, you understand what I mean. Â One part of the Governor's plan, "improving health care coordination for low income residents" will save millions when Medicaid patients begin utilizing the lower-cost options.
@Sundowner Ya but can you really force someone who does not really care since it is other peoples money they are spending to suddenly start worrying about where they go so it saves someone else some money? Only if they paid a penalty for using ER over other options would it impact their behavior.
@FreedomRocks If they're told their costs won't be covered or they might lose their benefits if they abuse the system, yeah, they'd likely opt for a cheaper course of treatment.
@SundownerI would believe that about as much as I would believe there's some great lakefront property in the middle of Sahara desert. They are not going to kick people who abuse the system out and if they can't pay a penalty they are still going to get care...
IMHOÂ it seems a bit premature to be touting the savings of the good Dr. ReRun's plan.
I seem to remember back in the early/mid nineties during Dr. ReRuns first go round ....
he trotted out the Oregon Health Plan which was supposed to be "the plan" that would offer better service for less money
and over time it proved to be far more expensive that expected.  Therefore I would reserve judgement for a few years.
If it in fact it does prove to be cost effective... then great,  but given the last go round I'll wait see before I call it a success.
@kramr Yep my dad stopped billing the Oregon health plan because it cost him more in administrative time and effort than they were paying him for a patient visit. He was better off just to write this off as a complete loss against his taxes.
@kramr So you're saying that we should elect Dr. Rerun again? I'm sure that the 'natives" would love that.
@kramr Sense my sarcasm. Nothing wrong with your post.  I was referring to the Oregoons who keep voting for these people year in, year out. It brings back fond memeories of when I lived in D.C. when the people kept voting in Marion Barry over and over again. Ahhhh Oregon.
@Mr. Carbon Footprint @kramr
""""""So you're saying that we should elect Dr. Rerun again?""""
I don't know how you got that out of my post, but no I don't want another four years of Dr. ReRun.
There are people out there that are entitled to Medicaid and I have no problem with them getting it. Â But, the democrats want to give it to the deadbeats as well, because it will mean votes. Â Â
"What Oregon can't yet show is proof the idea is working..."
So, Kitzhaber is selling a theoretical plan to other politicians without any real evidence or data it will work or is working. He'll probably use a Powerpoint to sell it.   Something seems to be missing. Oh, yeah. Evidence and data.  Seems like politicians like this method.
@Saltire Kinda hard to have evidence and data until it's fully operational, isn't it?
@Sundowner That's the point I was trying to make. It doesn't make sense to get other states to adopt the Oregon plan when you cannot show that it is actually working. Â
@Sundowner @Saltire Is that kind of like not knowing what's in thousands of pages of legislation until we vote for it? Wow, par for the course.Â
Golly! Another trip at taxpayer expense? Wonder which cabinet post he is aiming for, on our dime!
@jpk HHS Secretary? Department of Energy?Â
As long as he can wear blue jeans and continue looking like he came from back to the future 1980's!
How about the Blue Jeans Department of Protocol?
@jpk Don't get my hopes up like that.
Just in case he heads to DC in some Democrat cabinet post, Sammie Adams is always available to replace him in Salem! LOLÂ Â Â
Yeah, I know! How true!
@jpk Yeah don't laugh. It could happen in this state.
Other states are rejecting OBamacare. States do not have to accept it. I believe people should be able to get health care, but they should make an effort to pay for it. Even if your on welfare, you pay 10% of the amount received from welfare to show responsibility and help with the cost of healthcare. People need to show they are willing to take responsibility for themselves. As long as people pay every month, they can go in for healthcare. If they are forced to pay they will not take advantage of the system because they would care about how big the bill is growing. To be a leader you have to be someone others want to follow. Obamacare is forced care, it is not something other states want. Oregon is not going to be admired for their desire to accept socialized care. If I could afford it, I would choose to live in a state where people want to pay their own way through life.
"What Oregon can't yet show is proof the idea is working â that it's lowering costs without squeezing on the quality or availability of care."
Yea, it's a little hard to get "quality" care if you don't want pay anything for it, huh?
There will be legions of right-wing trolls on this like white on rice, but I applaud Gov. Kitzhaber for his work to better the state of the American People.
@browntown Yep, quite a good deal. Especially, since it is being subsidized with $1.9 billion Federal taxpayer dollars.
@Saltire @browntown I hope you're being a little sarcastic here since federal dollars are no different than state dollars when it comes to who's paying the tax bill... it's still all coming out of my pocket either way.
@FreedomRocks @Saltire @browntown It's free money, from the state's point of view, when they are Federal dollars. :)
Instead of automatically rejecting any of your self-described "right-wing" comments on this issue, why not give dialogue a chance?
@jpk Naw the left likes personal attacks much better then factual-based dialogue.
@browntown .....at somebody else's expense.