NRA leader vows to 'stand and fight' Obama on guns

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - National Rifle Association leader Wayne LaPierre renewed his call Thursday for armed guards in schools and urged gun owners to "stand and fight" for the Second Amendment.
In a speech billed as the NRA response to President Barack Obama's State of the Union call for new gun regulations, LaPierre noted in remarks to the National Wild Turkey Federation in Nashville that the speech didn't mention school security. He dismissed Obama's calls for background checks for all firearms purchases and bans on assault weapons and ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.
"We will not be duped by the hypocrisy in the White House or the Congress who would deny our right to semi-automatic technology, and the magazines we need to defend ourselves and our families," he said.
LaPierre said the proponents' real intentions would be to "ban every gun they can, tax every gun sold and register every gun owner."
George Thornton, the CEO of the National Wild Turkey Federation, said his group agrees with LaPierre's positions, even though not all of the gun-control proposals would directly affect hunters.
"You really don't need large clips for hunting," he said. "However, I have a very strong belief when you start to limit things, that the limits continue to chip away."
LaPierre also said a universal background check would not stop criminals or the mentally ill from getting firearms.
"Even when prohibited people are flagged by the system now, they are almost never stopped," he said.
Mark Kelly, husband of former Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, who was shot in the head in 2011, said in a statement that background checks are a simple and fair way to keep children safe.
"If a dangerous criminal can't buy a gun in a store, they shouldn't be able to buy a gun at a gun show or on the Internet," he said. "That's just common sense."
While LaPierre was critical of the president in the speech, the remarks were milder than sentiments he expressed in an opinion piece published this week by The Daily Caller, a conservative website, in which he predicted the president's financial policies will lead to chaos.
"Nobody knows if or when the fiscal collapse will come, but if the country is broke, there likely won't be enough money to pay for police protection. And the American people know it," LaPierre wrote.
"Hurricanes. Tornadoes. Riots. Terrorists. Gangs. Lone criminals. These are perils we are sure to face - not just maybe," he said. "It's not paranoia to buy a gun. It's survival."
Don Robinson, a turkey hunter from Dyersburg who attended the speech, said he supported LaPierre's call for armed school security and agreed that universal background checks wouldn't catch criminals and people with mental illness.
"Mentally ill folks that have no right or reason to have firearms in their hands, we should have a system in place to prohibit that, rather than a law-abiding person having whatever they need to protect themselves and their country," he said."
Fellow hunter Steve Gage of LaGrange, Ind., said he's concerned that politicians "don't have a full understanding of the weapons that are being discussed," which he said could lead to unintended consequences for recreational firearms.
"As an example, my shotgun that I carry for turkey hunting would be illegal in New York because it has a pistol-grip stock," he said. "So the laws they're talking about passing have an effect on the guns that we're using."
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Associated Press writer Kristin M. Hall in Nashville contributed this report.
In a speech billed as the NRA response to President Barack Obama's State of the Union call for new gun regulations, LaPierre noted in remarks to the National Wild Turkey Federation in Nashville that the speech didn't mention school security. He dismissed Obama's calls for background checks for all firearms purchases and bans on assault weapons and ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.
"We will not be duped by the hypocrisy in the White House or the Congress who would deny our right to semi-automatic technology, and the magazines we need to defend ourselves and our families," he said.
LaPierre said the proponents' real intentions would be to "ban every gun they can, tax every gun sold and register every gun owner."
George Thornton, the CEO of the National Wild Turkey Federation, said his group agrees with LaPierre's positions, even though not all of the gun-control proposals would directly affect hunters.
"You really don't need large clips for hunting," he said. "However, I have a very strong belief when you start to limit things, that the limits continue to chip away."
LaPierre also said a universal background check would not stop criminals or the mentally ill from getting firearms.
"Even when prohibited people are flagged by the system now, they are almost never stopped," he said.
Mark Kelly, husband of former Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, who was shot in the head in 2011, said in a statement that background checks are a simple and fair way to keep children safe.
"If a dangerous criminal can't buy a gun in a store, they shouldn't be able to buy a gun at a gun show or on the Internet," he said. "That's just common sense."
While LaPierre was critical of the president in the speech, the remarks were milder than sentiments he expressed in an opinion piece published this week by The Daily Caller, a conservative website, in which he predicted the president's financial policies will lead to chaos.
"Nobody knows if or when the fiscal collapse will come, but if the country is broke, there likely won't be enough money to pay for police protection. And the American people know it," LaPierre wrote.
"Hurricanes. Tornadoes. Riots. Terrorists. Gangs. Lone criminals. These are perils we are sure to face - not just maybe," he said. "It's not paranoia to buy a gun. It's survival."
Don Robinson, a turkey hunter from Dyersburg who attended the speech, said he supported LaPierre's call for armed school security and agreed that universal background checks wouldn't catch criminals and people with mental illness.
"Mentally ill folks that have no right or reason to have firearms in their hands, we should have a system in place to prohibit that, rather than a law-abiding person having whatever they need to protect themselves and their country," he said."
Fellow hunter Steve Gage of LaGrange, Ind., said he's concerned that politicians "don't have a full understanding of the weapons that are being discussed," which he said could lead to unintended consequences for recreational firearms.
"As an example, my shotgun that I carry for turkey hunting would be illegal in New York because it has a pistol-grip stock," he said. "So the laws they're talking about passing have an effect on the guns that we're using."
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Associated Press writer Kristin M. Hall in Nashville contributed this report.
To the individuals that say people that are pro guns and the NRA "have blood on their hands", so do you. If you are an American and enjoy the freedoms granted you under the Constitution, you have blood on your hands.Your support and use of freedom of speech, religion, the press etc. it was all bought and paid for in blood. People fought, killed and died to secure these rights for you. Every time you exercise these rights your getting more blood on your hands. Â
The tree of liberty was watered in blood. Although the recent events were tragic beyond words, they aren't worth sacrificing hard won freedoms. The founding fathers knew freedom wasn't easy, or without cost. Many have forgotten the lessons learned and want to throw away those inalienable rights. These freedoms don't just belong to the Republicans or Democrats, they belong to the people.
Think of gun control laws as the non smoking laws of the early seventies..... fast forward 30-40 years and in some instances its illegal to smoke in ones OWN HOME.
Thats the same way gun laws will work..... dozens of teeny tiny steps in losing gun rights, none of any one single law is a big deal, but over time they will add up to significant loss in gun rights.
Thats why the gun rights side is protesting hard now, we don't even want to start down the slippery slope.
LARUE TACTICAL: "Effective today, in an effort to see that no legal mistakes are made by LaRue Tactical and/or its employees, we will apply all current State and Local Laws (as applied to civilians) to state and local law enforcement / government agencies. In other words, LaRue Tactical will limit all sales to what law-abiding citizens residing in their districts can purchase or possess."
YORK ARMS: "Based on the recent legislation in New York, we are prohibited from selling rifles and receivers to residents of New York. We have chosen to extend that prohibition to all governmental agencies associated with or located within New York. As a result we have halted sales of rifles, short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns, machine guns, and silencers to New York governmental agencies. For âcivilianâ customers residing in New York: â¨At your choice, we will:complete your order and ship to a dealer of your choice outside of NY. Â
- refund your payment in full
- hold your items here for up to 6 months, at no charge
- if you are in the process of leaving NY and taking residence in another state.
For LE/Govt customers in New York: Your orders have been cancelled."
OLYMPIC ARMS: "Due (to) the passing of this legislation, Olympic Arms would like to announce that the State of New York, any Law Enforcement Departments, Law Enforcement Officers, First Responders within the State of New York, or any New York State government entity or employee of such an entity â will no longer be served as customers."
EFI: "âWe refuse to recognize law enforcement exemptions on gun control. If a product that we manufacture is not legal for a private citizen to own in a jurisdiction, we will not sell that product to a law-enforcement agency in that jurisdiction.â
TEMPLAR CUSTOM: "We will not sell arms to agents of the state of New York that hold themselves to be âmore equalâ than their citizens. As long as the legislators of New York think they have the power to limit the rights of their citizens, in defiance of the Constitution, we at Templar will not sell them firearms to enforce their edicts."
MAGPUL:Â (For you liberals, these are the people that make nearly all of the magazines used by LEOs ) "Denver, Colorado â February 15th, 2013 - Magpul Industries, an Erie, Colorado, based manufacturer of firearms accessories, announced today that it will be forced to leave the state if House Bill 1224, which would ban standard capacity magazines, becomes law"
And...your point ?????
This guy is making well over $1 million/year spouting the rhetoric the NRA believes will continue to bring in the dollars necessary to pay his salary and keep the firearms manufacturers a major contributing factor. It's time to redefine the second amendment in a way that begins to put firearms in an appropriate perspective - one that allows for reasonable gun ownership, but doesn't result in an absolute laissez faire of the industry. Our society has suffered far more from the current interpretation of the second amendment than it's gained.
@Ex Cop With all due respect, you are simply wrong about Wayne, the NRA, and the second amendment.
@Ex Cop "It's time to redefine the second amendment"
And then it'll be time to redefine the other amendments? Negative. You're not going to do that.
@Ex Cop Question Mr ex cop. First I know ex cops and most are for the NRA and what it stands for and do NOT feel threatened but grateful for the good citizens being armed. So did you keep your own arms from your cop days? (Assuming you really were one outside of your fantasy world). Or will you wait for the cops to show up and take your statement AFTER the bad guys violate you and or your loved ones?
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@CorporateCowMoo Wow. Gay jokes. The intellectual magnitude of his critics is mind-bending.
It's pretty simple, background checks for all purchases should be a given...if you have nothing too hide it shouldn't be a problem, this isn't about taking your guns, it's about the one nutcase that has nothing in his way....if you are worried about the govt taking your guns away, just tell them someone stole it....you know...because you are clueless about securing your weapon...if this just weeds out one nut it's worth it...what nobody seems to talk about is that the NRA has what.... 4-5 million members, but 90% of their funding comes from the weapon & ammunition manufacturers....so this crap from Wayne about your right to bear arms is asomething he and the rest of gun lobby use to cover up the money trail...they don't care about your rights...just your money...get a clue.something he uses to put fear Â
@SKVmutant I like the idea that local liberal useful idiots recently proposed under the freedom of information act of publishing gun owners names and addresses. Then I have an app to send criminal.felons that sends all nonsense residences addresses and family members ages sex number of children etc. Because as you know they have a right to know and they are safe because they have no legal rights to a gun right now, no need to wait for Obama's new laws to save you!
@Ramona If they publish a list like that, non-gun-owners are going to start getting their windows shot out with BB guns. The gun lobby can win this war without spilling blood. If the liberals are going to make us felons for simply owning property that scares 'em, well, we might as well be criminals then. It's not like they're going to shoot you or anything.
@Playanekes @Ramona I'm with you friend. All we can do is stand and remember we did not invent give me liberty or death it was given us by blood in the past and brave people never cowardly steeple.
So it goes the bellicose howl from NRA, their paranoid selfish whine. Now when do we get to sue the manufacturer's who profit as merchants of death? no were only taking baby steps, yes my opinion, we need a gun registry so we can remove guns from the fringe who make threats right here...they prove our case, as these social misfits who surface from bunker mentality and strut among us...strapped! no, we are not safer with these gun nuts, they threaten public safety, the only arguments they have is fear mongering, educated people around the globe came to consensus and restricted access to these weapons, enough!, the majority will amend, and we likely will have more criminals with guns until we don't, it will take time and effort to create peace, but we will, because we must, our country should not be Somalia, where savagery is common.
@Social GlimpseCould you please articulate on your statement, "...we are not safer with these gun nuts, they threaten public safety..."? Your assertion is gun owners threaten public safety? I think you may in the fringe if you believe that.
@Torino_v2 @Social Glimpse Return to english class, or look up meanings, perhaps, when you articulate...you "expand" more than lung power...you provide an excellent example of NRA jingoistic thought, good luck with that.
@Torino_v2 @Social Glimpse Because you don't quote me, you "insert", gun owners?{ as you wish to play victim} I target those who you may or may not be as one who make threats, with a bunker mentality, if that hits a nerve, well then...evidently you qualify...gun nut, others tacking themselves to your diatribe, well...there you go, see yourself as a jackbooted bully whose rights trample over all others, as no compromise will be brooked, no yield to the what is obvious to the rest of the world, now feel indulged, no respect given, just remedial clarification. Somalia...a great beach with your name on it! your gun and towel! bring plenty of friends!
@Civ I'm no scholar Civ. I'll take grammar and spelling advice any day, trust me, I'm no Ernest Hemmingway.Â
 It's an old tactic though, attack the character of the person rather than the substance of the argument. I've asked no less than 20 times for someone using the term "gun nut" to give me their definition. I haven't received a response as of yet.
 I refuse to get into a mud fight with anyone on this board, it's simply a waste of time. I'm here to learn about opposing viewpoints.Â
 Take care.
@Torino_v2 @Social Glimpse Leftyloons always give smokescreen when they cannot answer a direct question. Good post Torino you won the debate.
@Social Glimpse @Torino_v2 Do you always philosophize out of your tailpipe there, blowhard?
Expand that.
@Torino_v2 @Social Glimpse Social Glimpse cant explain or articulate his meaning. He has already formed his "factual" opinion that all gun owners are nuts, we should register all firearms in preparation of  gun confiscation and all gun owners threaten society. I think that sums up what he is saying.Â
Torino v2 ,ave you noticed when a liberal has been called out they usually go try and chastise you for spelling or grammar  errors instead of explaining their fantasy?
@Social Glimpse I apologize Social Glimpse, yes, my writing isn't the best. I used articulate to request that you clearly or effectively express your statement which I quoted. That is an accepted definition and I encourage you to take your own advice. And yes, I certainly could use a refresher in English, it's been an awful long time since I've been in that class.Â
 Could you please clarify your generalized statement about 'gun nuts'? Who do you include in that category?Â
I respect your opinions and the right to state them, in the interest of civil debate, please respect mine.
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vote yes on the gun welfare rights bill. it's everyone's right
Doofus. The SOTU address also didn't contain comments about overfishing and the threat from alien invaders from space. Let's make the whole thing into what it's not.
@Mikey Hello Mikey.
 What this discussion is not in my opinion, is a sensible dialog about how to improve our laws regarding firearms to make the population safer. It has devolved into long established battle lines and will go nowhere.
@Torino_v2 You can have all the dialog you want, but when it comes down to it, you don't negotiate away, nor compromise freedoms.
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@Postmortem @Torino_v2 Agreed. I don't view steps such as strengthening the enforcement of existing laws and providing for armed school security a compromise. I was speaking of a discussion about solutions with tangible results, not the drivel currently in Congress.
Democrats, stand by to watch your leaders' ideological positions cave in to economics and the almighty dollar.
Magpul is pulling out of Colorado which will cost the state $85,000,000 in annual revenue. Barrett--the maker of the armor-piercing .50 sniper rifle owned by Dorner, will not sell to the State of California.
Today Olympic Arms--one of the leading manufacturers of LEO weapons--announced the following:
"Due to the passing of this legislation, Olympic Arms would like to announce that the State of New York, and any Law Enforcement Departments, Law Enforcement Officers, First Responders Within the State of New York, or any New York State government entity or employee of such an entity, will no longer be served as customers.
In short, Olympic Arms will no longer be doing business with the State of New York or any governmental entity or employee of such governmental entity within the State of New York...until this legislation is repealed, and an apology made to the good people of the State of New York and the American people."
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/14/Olympic-Arms-To-Gov-Cuomo-No-Business-With-NY-Till-You-Repeal-And-Apologize
Meanwhile, liberal laws release murders and rapists.
@Playanekes Wow, you are out of tough with reality.  Or should I say stretching the truth to justify your cause.  To make liberals look bad.
Magput has threatened to move out of Colorado, they haven't done it.  The State of California prohibits many firearms and Olympic Arms has cut ties with the State of New York.  But did they sell many firearms to New York anyway?
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22593693/colorado-ammo-magazine-maker-threatens-leave-state-over
"Meanwhile, liberal laws release murders and rapists." Â And what about the liberal gun laws that allow criminals to get guns in the first place. Â We need to do better background checks and stop letting the NRA run Washington.
@MFMFIM@Playanekes "And what about the liberal gun laws that allow criminals to get guns in the first place. "
You mean like Fast and Furious? The weapons ban that stopped Chris Dorner or those two deadly newspaper delivery women?  The liberal gun laws that allowed a guy who murdered his grandmother with an axe to get out of prison, illegally acquire guns and kill firefighters with them?
Sorry... you lose. Your assessment of how "out of tough[sic] with reality" I am isn't worth dog crap in a park while gang bangers are still terrorizing California, Chicago and New York.
Again. Liberal laws release murderers and rapists. Fact.
@Playanekes @MFMFIM Yes, it's the "if" that failed to see.
@MFMFIM@PlayanekesI lied about Magput? What's a magput? You're calling me a liar, there, cheerio-mouth?
Denial is like a warm baby blanket and a clean binky for you isn't it, sweetpea?
"FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
MAGPUL INDUSTRIES ANNOUNCES IT WILL LEAVE COLORADO IF GUN BILL PASSES
MOVE WOULD COST STATE 600 JOBS, $85 MILLION
Denver, Colorado â February 15th, 2013 - Magpul Industries, an Erie, Colorado, based manufacturer of firearms accessories, announced today that it will be forced to leave the state if House Bill 1224, which would ban standard capacity magazines, becomes law"
http://www.facebook.com/magpul
THAT'S TODAY, YOU SILLY LIBERAL. CALLING ME A LIAR. LOL.
Here's some more denial for you to deal with:
http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/13/olympic-arms-inc-announces-new-york-state-sales-policy-will-no-longer-serve-first-responders/"
@Playanekes @MFMFIM No, you lose.  You lied about Magput and now mention the Fast and Furious.  What does a program that was started in the Bush administration have to do about keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill?
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@TheUglyTruth @MFMFIM @Playanekes I agree with you.  If the Government took all the guns away criminals will still commit crimes.
As Bob Dylan so poetically stated, "the times they are a changin" Better get on board or get out of the way. The movement to restrict gun ownership and the types of guns people can buy is gaining ground and the NRA is scared.Â
@peckishpete The movement? I could but won't go into the bathroom humor in that statement. Instead I'll just be glad we don't live in a Democracy where movements mean something. I'd rather live right here in a Constitutional Federal Republic. The assault weapons ban doesn't have the votes to pass the Senate, and if it did, would be thrown out after being challenged in the courts. There is no way there are enough votes to legally amend the Constitution with the higher bar needed to do so.
@peckishpete With all due respect Pete, the "movement" you speak of is losing momentum. While initially, gun control advocates had a real chance for a full-scale AWB, magazine ban and universal background checks, it has quickly faded. The only chance now is for some sort of background check legislation, even that is doubtful.Â
As to your assertion the NRA is running scared, you are incorrect sir. Membership has exploded as a result of the attack on gun rights and will continue to do so. There is a run on all firearms and ammunition everywhere. Ostensibly, the desire by citizens to own firearms is alive and well.
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We'll have to table this discussion until 2014 and see where the chips fall. I predict no gun control legislation, and severe voter backlash as a result of the gun control push alone.
Take care my friend.
@Torino_v2 @peckishpete You may be right. And thank you for your polite response. Its a lot better than Playankes response where he told me to F------off.
@PlayanekesÂ
We have different debate styles, I'm OK with that Playanekes.
@peckishpete Where would a comment such as that get our discussion? Emotional comments do nothing to further the debate. Take care.
@Torino_v2 @peckishpete That's my commitment. I didn't vote for Obama but my wife did, and many of my non-partisan friends did. Those who didn't shrugged and said, Whatever, he's just as good as the other guy, and, like me, wished him success.
It's not that Democrats are swinging over. My Democrat friends are saying they're simply going to ignore the weapons ban. Kinda torques me because they're talking about violating laws passed by people they elected, but, you know Democrats are. More importantly, though, is the sheer number of people I know who WERE neutral or at least laissez-faire about the whole thing that, like me, are now committed to dislodging these corrupt, clueless, arrogant jackholes from power.
I support gay rights, gays in the military, women in the military, medical marijuana, environmental protection, shift from fossil fuels... but I'll abandon all of that if these bastards try to tell us that we're criminals if we don't give them certain personal property even though we've harmed no one and broken no laws.
The backlash is going to be brutal. It's going to undo a whole lot of -good- things the liberals were starting to accomplish, but, unfortunately that's what has to happen. For me it's as much about defending the rights of law abiding citizens as it is the Constitution, and you can't simply Amend or Abolish one hundred million Americans who are simply trying to use the most commonly-used firearms the same way as the Founders did. (The Constitution didn't reserve military weapons exclusively for the government. Just the opposite.)
So I joined the NRA, I -might- consider supporting the Republicans monetarily if they leave gays and marijuana alone and focus on actual law-breakers such as those in DC and Wall Street. I hope you Republicans are paying attention.
@peckishpete You liberals allowed a known sex predator to prey on women SEVEN TIMES since May 2011 until the law was allowed to hold him.
You liberals protest police brutality at Occupy Portland and then threaten to send those cops to arrest people who don't give up private property.  You protested Bush's drones and say nothing when Obama uses them.
You liberals support collective bargaining and unions, and at the same time, protest the fact that unions are so powerful that your own liberal Mayors can't fire cops who terrify and/or kill the public.
You liberals elect a governor who defies the will of the people AND the will of the condemned because it doesn't fit his personal beliefs about crime and punishment. You dump flouride in our water without asking permission.
You liberals are suddenly silent about the fact that one in three women are victims of sexual assault, while your odds of getting killed by a machine gun are about the same as getting struck by lightning.
Your liberal leaders imprison people for defending their property while chastising Wall Street white collar crime, and then releasing and fighting for the rights of rapists, murders, child molesters.
Your liberal leaders want to save money by destroying Head Start and replacing it with government-controlled, union-scale staff. You want taxpayers to subsidize in-state tuition for illegals who don't even have a Social Security number, while forcing LEGAL immigrants from out of state to pay out-of-state tuition.
Your liberal leaders tell us that our guns are only used to commit mass murder, and then use them to fire 70 rounds at two newspaper delivery women they think is a black ex-cop, and then we learn that DHS has purchased 7000 of these "military style assault weapons" redefined in THEIR hands as "close quarters personal defense weapons."
F--- You. Bring it. Because of attitudes like yours, I joined the NRA in December for the first time, and as of January 2013 I will never vote for another Democrat as long as this nonsense exists.
@Playanekes @peckishpete Yep I'm a Liberal and we will bring it.Â
@peckishpete @Ramona LOL! If they you on a plane.Â
@Ramona @peckishpete I won't be worrying about that. If these events occur I will go back to Canada or Britain or any of the EU countries because I'm a citizen in all of these places. Good luck Ramona back home with you semi-automatic weapons guarding your house.
@peckishpete @Playanekes so you willbe wandering around with flowers and peace signs when the fiscal collapse or other crisis sends hordes of desperate gangs wandering around to rape kill steal a d destroy like zombie apocalypse? Good plan Pete!
@peckishpete @Playanekes Okay, there, flower-power. Bring body armor too.Â
Time to get hysterical everyone!Â
Dear Leader LaPierre spoke the Truth to the Turkey Federation - without high-capacity magazines, how can you defend your home from the government agents who are coming to take your guns away?
Background checks? Oh, no - if crazy people can't get guns, do we truly have freedom? It's better that we put armed guards everywhere - that's how you live in a free society.
Talking to people who disagree with us in an effort to craft legislation that might in some way provide for the common welfare is not democracy - it's nothing but appeasement! HOLD THE LINE!Â
@Max Quinn Setting your hyperbole aside, the NRA is the only line of defense for the second amendment.
@Torino_v2Â @Max Quinn I disagree that the NRA is the only line.
It's just the only legal one.
@Playanekes Allow me to clarify, the NRA is the only viable gun lobby in Washington D.C.
@Max Quinn Umm Yeah, I do need high capacity mags. How else would I fight off a horde of angry monkeys that brake into my home and attack me? That was a real story on here by the way, and no one had a semi-auto with high cap mags. Â