Obama, GOP duel over rising college expenses

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama would make tax credits for college expenses permanent and expand Pell grants for students from lower-earning families. The Republican team of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan would emphasize the need to curb rising tuitions and federal education spending that are burdening families and the government.
The different approaches to coping with growing college costs highlight one way that Obama and the GOP ticket are competing for young voters. This important group leaned heavily toward Obama in 2008 and still prefers him, according to polls, though less decisively.
Tuitions and fees for four-year public colleges grew by 72 percent above inflation over the past decade, averaging $8,244 last year, according to the College Board, which represents more than 6,000 schools. Student loan debt in the U.S. has hit $914 billion; the average borrower owes more than $24,000, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York says.
Democrats are sure to reach for the college vote at the party's national convention in Charlotte, N.C., a week after Obama spoke to students in university towns in Virginia, Colorado and Iowa. Romney was counting on his youngest son, Craig, and the 42-year-old Ryan to court young supporters.
In 2008, voters age 18 to 24 sided with Obama over GOP candidate John McCain by a 66-32 margin. A Gallup poll taken in July and August found that same age group preferring Obama over Romney by 56 percent to 36 percent, an edge that Republicans would love to erode further.
Well before the party conventions, both sides had issued proposals directly affecting college students — and their parents — coping with those mushrooming costs.
Obama would let the current $5,550 per year maximum Pell grant increase to $5,635 next year, as scheduled under current law. That figure has grown by more than $900 since 2008 for a program that is the largest source of federal aid for students, serving more than 9 million of them.
Obama would make permanent the American Opportunity tax credit, created as part of his 2009 economic stimulus program. The credit provides up to $2,500 a year per student for college costs but is due to expire Jan. 1. Renewing it would cost an estimated $13 billion next year alone.
Obama has also proposed tying some federal aid, including Perkins loans and subsidies for students' work-study jobs, to schools' abilities to curb tuition increases. The president's proposals continue "the administration's commitment to keep college affordable for students and their families," his 2013 budget blueprint said.
Separate plans by presidential nominee Romney and his running mate focus more on containing federal costs.
In a May paper, Romney argued that even as federal spending for higher education has grown, the costs of attending college and student debt have ballooned. Obama initiatives making the government the direct source of federal student loans, creating the American Opportunity tax credit and boosting Pell grants have not worked, it said.
"Flooding colleges with federal dollars only serves to drive tuition higher," said Romney's education paper, "A Chance for Every Child."
It said Romney would improve college access and affordability: "A Romney administration will tackle this challenge by making clear that the federal government will no longer write a blank check to universities to reward their tuition increases."
Romney would eliminate duplicative federal college financial aid programs, direct Pell grants to "students that need them most" and put the program on a sustainable long-term path, the document said. It provides few details.
He would put private lenders back in the business of issuing federally backed student loans, let companies compile data about lending and colleges for consumers and help families save for higher education. The paper says little about how.
Campaigning in March, Romney was asked by a voter what he would do to make college more affordable. Romney replied that while it might be popular for him to answer that he would provide students with government money, "what I'm going to tell you is shop around."
Ryan, the Wisconsin Republican who is chairman of the House Budget Committee, wrote a House-approved 2013 budget that would let the American Opportunity tax credit expire in January. It would freeze the maximum Pell grant at $5,500 for the next decade and it suggests rolling back some subsidies for student borrowers and recent provisions making the grants more widely available.
Ryan's budget says the Pell grant program, currently costing about $36 billion a year, is unsustainable.
"Urgent reforms are necessary to enable the program to continue as the foundation of the nation's commitment to helping low-income students gain access to higher education," budget documents say.
Obama also proposed keeping interest rates at 3.4 percent for subsidized Stafford loans for undergraduates. After initial Republican hesitation, Romney endorsed the idea and Congress eventually approved it. Ryan's budget would have let the rates double to 6.8 percent, as was scheduled under previous law.
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Associated Press writer Julie Pace contributed to this report.
The different approaches to coping with growing college costs highlight one way that Obama and the GOP ticket are competing for young voters. This important group leaned heavily toward Obama in 2008 and still prefers him, according to polls, though less decisively.
Tuitions and fees for four-year public colleges grew by 72 percent above inflation over the past decade, averaging $8,244 last year, according to the College Board, which represents more than 6,000 schools. Student loan debt in the U.S. has hit $914 billion; the average borrower owes more than $24,000, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York says.
Democrats are sure to reach for the college vote at the party's national convention in Charlotte, N.C., a week after Obama spoke to students in university towns in Virginia, Colorado and Iowa. Romney was counting on his youngest son, Craig, and the 42-year-old Ryan to court young supporters.
In 2008, voters age 18 to 24 sided with Obama over GOP candidate John McCain by a 66-32 margin. A Gallup poll taken in July and August found that same age group preferring Obama over Romney by 56 percent to 36 percent, an edge that Republicans would love to erode further.
Well before the party conventions, both sides had issued proposals directly affecting college students — and their parents — coping with those mushrooming costs.
Obama would let the current $5,550 per year maximum Pell grant increase to $5,635 next year, as scheduled under current law. That figure has grown by more than $900 since 2008 for a program that is the largest source of federal aid for students, serving more than 9 million of them.
Obama would make permanent the American Opportunity tax credit, created as part of his 2009 economic stimulus program. The credit provides up to $2,500 a year per student for college costs but is due to expire Jan. 1. Renewing it would cost an estimated $13 billion next year alone.
Obama has also proposed tying some federal aid, including Perkins loans and subsidies for students' work-study jobs, to schools' abilities to curb tuition increases. The president's proposals continue "the administration's commitment to keep college affordable for students and their families," his 2013 budget blueprint said.
Separate plans by presidential nominee Romney and his running mate focus more on containing federal costs.
In a May paper, Romney argued that even as federal spending for higher education has grown, the costs of attending college and student debt have ballooned. Obama initiatives making the government the direct source of federal student loans, creating the American Opportunity tax credit and boosting Pell grants have not worked, it said.
"Flooding colleges with federal dollars only serves to drive tuition higher," said Romney's education paper, "A Chance for Every Child."
It said Romney would improve college access and affordability: "A Romney administration will tackle this challenge by making clear that the federal government will no longer write a blank check to universities to reward their tuition increases."
Romney would eliminate duplicative federal college financial aid programs, direct Pell grants to "students that need them most" and put the program on a sustainable long-term path, the document said. It provides few details.
He would put private lenders back in the business of issuing federally backed student loans, let companies compile data about lending and colleges for consumers and help families save for higher education. The paper says little about how.
Campaigning in March, Romney was asked by a voter what he would do to make college more affordable. Romney replied that while it might be popular for him to answer that he would provide students with government money, "what I'm going to tell you is shop around."
Ryan, the Wisconsin Republican who is chairman of the House Budget Committee, wrote a House-approved 2013 budget that would let the American Opportunity tax credit expire in January. It would freeze the maximum Pell grant at $5,500 for the next decade and it suggests rolling back some subsidies for student borrowers and recent provisions making the grants more widely available.
Ryan's budget says the Pell grant program, currently costing about $36 billion a year, is unsustainable.
"Urgent reforms are necessary to enable the program to continue as the foundation of the nation's commitment to helping low-income students gain access to higher education," budget documents say.
Obama also proposed keeping interest rates at 3.4 percent for subsidized Stafford loans for undergraduates. After initial Republican hesitation, Romney endorsed the idea and Congress eventually approved it. Ryan's budget would have let the rates double to 6.8 percent, as was scheduled under previous law.
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Associated Press writer Julie Pace contributed to this report.
If Romney-Ryan have their way, only the rich will be able to afford college.  We should be investing in education -- not cutting it at every turn and in every way. Without a good education, today's children and grandchildren will soon be living in a third world society -- the rich vs. everyone else. Without a good educational system, we are wasting our most valuable assets.
Why don't we just go with the ly'n ryn life plan and have tax payers pay for education thru SS survivorship program ?? Oh, ya, now that ly'n ryn has got his he wants to end it for others...typical republiCON !
 @sargerator And a typical, foul-mouthed, childish rant by a hyper-partisan.
Funny how needy students are a tax credit Ryan doesn't like. However, he continued the corporate jet credit with no changes and the oil/gas transportation credit (which subsidizes oil and gas EXPORTS).
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College tuition issues are not related to Federal Government checks, but due to overall Government disinvestment in education. As a nation, we spend 30% LESS on post-secondary education then we did 10 years ago. That has to be made up somewhere, and tuition and fees are the only option.
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Of course, Republicans don't understand why the unwashed masses are allowed to get college degrees . . .
At the democratic convention, will Obama ask this question, 'are you better off than you were four years ago'?
@last boyscout The big question is: is the country as a whole better off now than 4 years ago, and the answer is a resounding, unequivocal yes! The Dow is up 7,000 points from when he took office, no longer is the country hemorraging 750,000 per month, but is gaining jobs each month. The Iraq war is over. And healthcare has been deemed, much to the hatred of the GOP, that it should be available to everyone, regardless of income level.
@last boyscout .....of course not. Attorneys are trained never to ask questions you don't know the answers to.
Start with the unionized over-price professors for one thing.
 @TimBurr While I don't support their salary I don't see what the problem is??
If you spend your career teaching you would never make as much as the CEO or president of a college even staff members working at a college make more than the teachers...
LOOK...                           Employment  salary
Business Teachers, Postsecondary   79,070      $85,470
Computer Science Teachers, Post    33,080      $78,190
Mathematical Science Teachers, Â Â Â Â Â 51,980 Â Â Â Â Â $73,480
Architecture Teachers, Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 7,620 Â Â Â Â Â $79,300
Engineering Teachers, Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 34,400 Â Â Â Â Â $96,480
Agricultural Sciences Teachers, Â Â Â Â Â Â 10,600 Â Â Â Â Â $81,760
Biological Science Teachers, Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 54,540 Â Â Â Â Â $86,570
Forestry and Conservation Science     2,410      $81,120
Atmospheric, Earth, Marine, and Space Science
                                   10,680      $90,660
Chemistry Teachers, Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 21,150 Â Â Â Â Â $80,070
Environmental Science Teachers, Â Â Â Â Â 5,090 Â Â Â Â Â Â $78,490
 @TimBurr And IS the American Medical Association the evil union you speak of
Oh and like the republicans say don't hate because someone went and did the extra work needed and built themselves ( their education )
Or is it to attack unions for being over priced yet protect CEO's who are robbing us all blind.
I mean unions don't live where I live they don't support local businesses..
Why I bet there just middle class or upper middle class..
Typical republican hate Americans yet support foreign own corporations....
 @cptmac11 Is it your position, cptmac11, that anyone who is critical of organized labor must therefore support obscene CEO salaries? That seems an unwarranted assumption to me and is most likely a repetition of talking points from your favorite left-wing web site.
 @cptmac11 Whose business plan? You seem to operating under the delusion that if I don't entirely agree with the Democratic Party line then I must therefore entirely agree with the Republican Party line. That is the false dichotomy typical of a partisan fanatic. You do understand that reasonable people can both agree and disagree with different elements of both parties, don't you? Or do you find that concept too difficult in your black and white world?
 @cptmac11  @mikew Very enlightening.
@mikew It IS the proposed business plan to remove all forms of employees ability to come together and ask corporate for a living wage..
Kinda like when the republicans throw nuts at black people and say ...
""See this is how we feed the animals""
 @cptmac11 Education is good, the subsidizing of it isn't. Lower the teaching class' salary and there wouldn't be as much "need" for subsidizing.
 @MFMFIM  @TimBurr  @cptmac11 Not true. The vast majority of teachers make more than $40K/Year, especially university professors.
 @TimBurr  @cptmac11 And how would they pay off their student loans?  Have you looked at what teachers get for their salary?  Most make under $40K.  I make twice that much a year.
 @cptmac11  @TimBurr You have to excuse Tim.  He's like a play back machine.
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Mitt the Twit and the Republicans want to make college available for only those who can afford it. Can't afford it, tough. Just like health insurance. Can't afford it, tough. We certainly don't want the government funding education so that we can level the playing field.Â
 @peckishpete Not true.
 @peckishpete "Mitt the Twit", huh? At one time on this board, you criticized the trolls for using childish name-calling in their comments. This comment is yet more evidence that you have abandoned any pretense of civility and have decided to embrace your inner troll. Congratulations on your "achievement", Trollish Pete.
@mikew You are entirely correct and I apologize. I will try to do better in the future and be more civil. It's getting harder though in these days where everyone on both sides is throwing around insults and blatent lies. But that's no exuse.
So whats iromney model 2012 flipping on now ....jeeeeeeze, pathetic. But there wasn't much of a field for those poor republiCONs to pick from....a "village idiot part duex from texass, a crazy lady from the midwest, another mormon, the pizza delivery guy and , well , something called a santorum
 @sargerator Yeah sarg, those 'mormons' are just awful aren't they?
WTF happened in MO..????
http://youtu.be/TtulQQ3jsA0
 @cptmac11 WOW! and people still think that is the group to put in power...
Oh my god, I had to laugh. this stuff has been going on since day one. the GOP is a divided mess. I believe upper middle, and middle class are starting to realize that the gop party doesn't represent their best interests. what the corporations are doing is as clear as glass. I hope they wake up before its too late
 @swimmer Just like the Democrats don't really represent the middle class.
The republican party is in revolt the bain corporation has stolen the party and Will not let the truly elected people serve as the delegates..
Watch the video...
http://youtu.be/6fruTILguQA
My understanding is that Robbedme wants to make colleges private. He wants to turn public schools (elementary, Jr High and High schools) into a voucher system. Meaning that our tax dollars will help fund private schools for wealthy families. The rest of you are on your own. Private always equals expensive. I don't see how the GOP plans will do anything but make this country into one of haves and have-nots. Us and them. Education is one of the pillars that helped make America the envy of much of the world in the 20th century. Follow the GOP and we'll continue to go downhill.
 @jbloe "Robbedme", really? Why the compulsion to use childish name-calling? Perhaps folks might take your comments more seriously if they were more mature and more civil.
 @mikew  @jbloe Because we can't go as a mob and take back our country.
we have to do like the republicans do when they throw nuts at people and say..
See this is how we feed the animals....
 @cptmac11 And childish hyperbole like that is useful how? What exactly do you believe you accomplish by such contemptible behavior?
 @mikew It is not really a compulsion. Think about this. Why would a guy who makes 20 million a year throwing people out of work for a living want a job that pays 400K and should be about putting people in the US back to work? I think Robbedme will be exactly what you'll be saying if he were to be elected.
 @jbloe Your prediction is untrue. While there are issues on which I disagree with Mr. Romney, I do not believe using childish name-calling is at all productive. I prefer to engage in debate in a civil and mature manner. While nobody (including myself) is perfect in that respect, I believe that the lack of civility and decorum in our country contributes significantly to the mess in which we now find ourselves.
His idea of middle class off spring is that they will be great ditch diggers so why send them to collegeÂ
"if they were more mature and more civil."....more like iromney ...right ??
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Ya right, you'd take people more serious....so you don't take the republiCON party seriously right ??
 @Motorhead79  @Torino  @jbloe  @sargerator Actually they did. It was their tax dollars that paid for the roads.
@Torino @jbloe @sargerator Because it was truthful? The President stated that business didn't build the roads, schools and infrastructure that businesses use in order to succeed.
 @jbloe  @sargerator The in-context quote was much worse.
 @sargerator It is funny how the GOP used an out-of-context quote for the theme of the day at their convention. The problem is they ARE taken seriously and shouldn't be. If their entire argument is based on lies, distortions and out of context quotes, they have not policy positions worth talking about.
 @sargerator Yep, there's our favorite foul-mouthed partisan who sees no value in civility right on schedule.
Yea see how far your money can take you at apollo college.
Do you have what it takes to go to culinary institute.
Or this one Oregon school of design.
All of these were brought under investigation for being owned by the same company.
If you signed up and changed your mind they still sent the paper work in and said you were there for 6 months.
Financial aid for those who qualify.....
It's not just what they say at the end of their commercials it's how they rip you off...
Some folks have said after attending the entire schooling and going to industry..
They were told what they taught you amounts to a brochure from a real college...
So the get in.. get out.. and get robbed is what their all about.
The one fashion design school attendee was told..
the $32,000 she has been charged by the school ( if you can call it that)
was a waste of time and no industry recognized them in the fashion world...
Some critics have called for-profit education 'subprime education', in an analogy with the subprime mortgages bubble at the heart of the Great Recession â finding uninformed borrowers and loading them with debt they cannot afford, then securitizing and passing the loan onto third party investors. Short Seller Steve Eisman (famous for being a character in Michael Lewis' The Big Short) has described the accreditation situation regarding for-profits like
ITT as follows: "The scandal here is exactly akin to the rating agency role in subprime securitizations.
Are we sure mitt is not behind this???
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Among the top contributors to President Obamas 2008 campaign were donars from 4 major universities, and 5 recipiants from the TARP bailouts (not to mention one of the recipiants former board member who is now Sec of the Treasury).
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Among his first actions with the DNC controlled Congress, appoint Tim Geitner, sign TARP into law, and make financial aid a governement program.
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Like it or not, accept it or not, believe it or not, the financial aid bubble 'pop' IS coming. Because of the fact that the loans are no longer hedged against real property, and instead just 'co-signed' by the US Government, this 'pop' is going to have a much larger impact on EVERY taxpayer.
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I'm a strong supporter of higher education, and I'm definately not a cheerleader for the financial industry as a whole, but the one thing that private student loans had over the US Govt taking over the program was that when private money was given out, there was a formula used to determine potential future income of the degree/program the applicant was entering into. Someone applying to persue a degree in Koeing Greek wasn't likely to get much money. Now, under the Federal Govt program, pretty much anyone who applies for fin aid gets it.
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...when you graduate with a PhD in pastel graphic design, it's unlikely that you will find a job that will afford you a income sufficent to keep up with your loan payment schedule. When you default on those loans, guess who gets left holding the 'IOU"?
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"sign TARP into law"....??? You would be gonged on a game show !
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The Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) is a program of the United States government to purchase assets and equity from financial institutions to strengthen its financial sector that was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008. It was a component of the government's measures in 2008 to address the subprime mortgage crisis.
The TARP program originally authorized expenditures of $700 billion. The DoddâFrank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act reduced the amount authorized to $475 billion. By March 28, 2012, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) stated that total disbursements would be $431 billion and estimated the total cost, including grants for mortgage programs that have not yet been made, would be $32 billion.
...in all fairness, the TARP program was only the tip of the proverbial iceberg of the programs put into place by Sec Geitner. True, TARP (formal legilsation) was created by Paulson, and signed into law by GW Bush.... Not terribly surprising, as GW's main contributor in 2000 was the credit industry (which he 'paid back' by making bankruptcy all but impossible for most people)
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Geitner (appointed by President Obama) then proceed to enact/modify the provisions of TARP to include things like P-PIP (Legacy Loans Program & legacy securities program, funding allocated @ $500 billion)
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It's also worth noting that there are several different components to the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008. I was in error for specifying the TARP program as President Obamas 'payback' legislation for all of his financial sector industry donations. Thank you for the correction.
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Ironic that all of the responses are in reference to TARP.... No questions about the education (student loans) components, to which the article is written.
 @MarkKpic TARP was signed into law by Bush.  Why is there so much confusion about this?
...in all fairness, you are correct. The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008, and the P-PIP (Legacy Loans Program & legacy securities program), on the other hand.... Well all Geitner and President Obama.
Thank you Torino. I'm reminded of a song by Dave Mason, 'We just disagree'.
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'There ain't no good guys, there ain't no bad guys.There's only you and me and we just disagree.'
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A big part of the breakdown in our government is the growth of obstinance and disrespect as acceptable political positions. Discussion, compromise and cooperative efforts are much more likely to be productive means towards resolution.
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There's almost 313 million people in the US. Believing that one of two political ideologies effectively speaks for them all seems dangerously ingenuine to me.
Much respect to you as well. I appreciate the fact that there are others out there who can discuss without dismissive rhetoric and disrespectful slander.
 @Bennicus  @MarkKpic Good discussion, wish more people could debate like this.
 @MarkKpic Just want to say it's pretty cool to have a rational conversation on here.  I haven't been around much since the commenting system switched and I moved away from Oregon, but I'm glad level-headed people like yourself are still out there.
>' I think Obama made some promises...' Therin lies the crux of the problem with our current system of 'democratic governance'. PR and spin (and a healthy dose of a decidedly biased media) have created a situation where candidates are as concerned about raising money for their next campaign as they are about governing. When that is the case, it's no wonder that we have so many problems with truly effective government. Add to the mix people like Grover Norquist, and what you end up with is... well, the government that we do have. One that is so focused on ideological absolutes, that there are twice as many 'Boehners' as there are representatives who are actually willing to work cooperatively for the whole of the country.
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>'Â I believe that Romney...' That is my single biggest concern with voting for Romney. Overall, I tend to believe that the GOP candidates are more focused on fiscal restraint, but Romneys 'super PAC' is 500 million dollars worth of IOU's that I shudder to think of taxpayers having to repay with legislation and laws. Unfortunately, with President Obama, I don't have to wonder about that. He has already demonstrated that he is more of a cult of personality than a representative of actual 'hope and change'.
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>'Socialized medicine is one way to refer to Obamacare...' Make no mistake, the current system of healthcare, the rich stay healthy and the sick stay poor, is broken. There is no doubt of that in my mind. I also see a good deal of positive in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. What bothers me so much about it was how it came to be. Both the reality that President Obama and the DNC controlled Congress had more important things to do, to the fact that it was created under the manipulation of health care/insurance lobby, to the fact that a 4000 page piece of legislation was enacted into law without any substanitive discussion/analysis. When it comes to laws, I tend to believe that more consideration is always better than less. In the end, it was a DNC pet project that was hurried through the legislative process because it could be, rather than because it was a good piece of legislation.
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>'The handling of the economy under Geitner is questionable,...' The series of events that began under Regan/Greenspan and finally imploded under Bush II/ Paulson has plenty of 'blame' to go around. That blame surpasses political party affiliation, and the office of President. Again, what bothers me so much is that President Obama did not focus his attention and his pet Congress on the problem that (arguably) was most pressing to the majority of Americans. He didn't show any leadership in persuing resolution to the problem. Instead, he sold out to an industry insider (see previous comments about the buysing of our government), and proceeded to work feverently on a partisan pet project. As M Rothschild prophetically stated, "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws." Voters have been lulled into compliance by things like the two party system. We are asleep at the wheel, and then complain when the bus goes into a ditch. It's not an 'us' or a 'them' problem, it's a 'we' problem.
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>'Couldn't agree more with the frustration with our two party system...' Well said. One Nation, indivisible has become One Nation, fragmented and broken along so many different socio-political lines that it's a wonder ANY thing gets done in our government. The abolition of the two party monopoly would be a good start. The elimination of the electoral college would also be a good step. Reaffirming and reasserting states rights to governance over federal juristiction is yet another. In the end, that is exceedingly unlikely. As people (especially when it comes to politics) tend to be more 'sheep' than 'lion'. So long as their respective 'team' is 'winning', they're happy. Unfortunately for us all, the reality checks in the mail, and there's insufficent funds to cash it.
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 @MarkKpic The logic I applied to fixing our education system, reasonable and intelligent people willing to compromise, I also apply to the changes needed in our government.  I suppose I also would fall into your "fool me once" notion.  Not that I'm voting for Romney though.  I think Obama made some promises that his Dem cohorts couldn't back out of the realistic fear of losing their seats come the next congressional elections.  You rightfully put the blame at the top.  Obama has some answering to do to those that elected him.  I believe that Romney will enter into the same pitfall if elected.  The realities of the office are much different than the electoral process.
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Socialized medicine is one way to refer to Obamacare. Â There is no doubt however that the medical community, insurers and practitioners alike, saw this coming years ago. Â Like Obama's handling of the bailouts, I'm not convinced he has all the answers, but there are some good things in there along with the bad. Â From my viewpoint paying into any insurance program is a form of socialized medicine in the guise of a capitalist system. Â I have no qualms with doctors earning the money they do, but dealing with insurance when a child has a birth defect has left me wanting change in the system.
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The handling of the economy under Geitner is questionable, but no less troubling than the problems he inherited from Paulson.  When it come down to brass tacks we really need to look into Greenspan and Bernanke.  I can admit to getting a little lost as the economic gobbledygook flows from their mouths, but there is no doubt they have the biggest influence on our economy at the national level as they set the policy that the banks follow.
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Couldn't agree more with the frustration with our two party system. Â It has divided us. Â I wish to abolish political parties all together. Â The farce has gone on long enough. Â We need to unite as Americans first and foremost and let our differences of opinion be fought on the merits of each individual issue. Â We the people are strong, intelligent, and united in the love of our country.
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>'We need to fix our education system at all levels. Â To do that we need well educated and reasonable people willing to compromise toward the best interests of our nation.'
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We need to fix our GOVERNMENT so that it focuses on the 95% that aren't served by the special interests that pervasively infect the current two party monopoly. There are hard choices that have to be made. Some of those choices are going to adversely affect groups negatively. We are heading for a cliff. If we go off that cliff, it's going to affect the whole of the country. The only other option is to affect a few groups within the whole now. From student loans to Social Security, to SNAP to Government pension programs. There are some very difficult decisions that are going to fall on the shoulders of the next administration.
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I don't know who I trust, or believe more, can do it. But, I'm of the belief that 'fool me once' is applicable when it comes to President Obama. He campaigned on the promise of limiting special interests influence on Washington. Instead, he became President, and the feeding frenzy only intensified. Was it entirely his 'fault'? No. Was it entirely his responsibility? Hell yes. He had a 100% DNC controlled Congress. He could have passed any number of legislative programs. Instead of focusing on the single biggest problem facing the country (the financial meltdown), he championed a DNC pet project (socialized health care), and punted the financial mess to an industry insider who he appointed (Geitner).
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 @MarkKpic Much of the details were left to the Obama administration to iron out.  Not a fan of how it was handled, but timing of the economic meltdown was what it was and the can was kicked to Obama to sort out.  A similar thing happened early in Bush's presidency when the dot.com bubble burst prompting tax cuts and ridiculously short sighted tax refund checks.  Then 9/11 occurred and military spending went bananas helping to jump start the economy again.  Neither recoveries did much to create long term economic stability and there is plenty of blame to go around.
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As for student loans which like you said below is what we should be discussing on this article, I'm a little mixed. Â Tuition is high. Â Private student loans have ridiculous interest rates and are fantastic investments as they cannot be forgiven in bankruptcy. Â Put the two together with our tepid economic climate and it's no wonder that we have a lot of frustrated people with essentially worthless degrees. Â I feel that since the federal government supplies lots of funding to public and private universities (grants) alike, they should have a say in how the lending gets done. Â Ideally this would be done in a practical manner that seeks to validate a students needs with their ability to pay back the loans with a reasonable interest rate.
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I know far to many people working any job they could get rather than something relating to their field of study and are struggling to make the payments while putting a roof over their head and food in their bellies.  I sympathize with them while also recognizing that the predicament is of their own doing.  Nobody forced them to go to college with the exception of overbearing parents bent on running the lives of their children well into adulthood.  We need to fix our education system at all levels.  To do that we need well educated and reasonable people willing to compromise toward the best interests of our nation.
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Wow that's like saying yellow daisys contribute to global warming...
When listing references please at least read the material....
You're right... I'm sure it's just coincidence that the largest contributor industries just happened to be the biggest beneficiaries of his first acts as President.
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So sorry to have maligned such an esteemed institution.
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The fact of the matter is we have the absolute best government that money can buy. Because it does, every cycle. 'Hope and Change' was a neat slogan, but it was just a slogan.
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None are so blind as those who refuse to see.