Aggressive Romney spars with Obama over economy

DENVER (AP) - In a showdown at close quarters, an aggressive Mitt Romney sparred with President Barack Obama in their first campaign debate Wednesday night over taxes, deficits and strong steps needed to create jobs in a sputtering national economy. "The status quo is not going to cut it," declared the Republican challenger.
Democrat Obama in turn accused his rival of seeking to "double down" on economic policies that actually led to the devastating national downturn four years ago — and of evasiveness when it came to prescriptions for tax changes, health care, Wall Street regulation and more.
With early voting already under way in dozens of states, Romney was particularly assertive in the 90-minute event that drew a television audience likely to be counted in the tens of millions — like a man intent on shaking up the campaign with a little less than five weeks to run.
He seemed at ease in debate with the man who has been in the White House for four years. "It's fun, isn't it?" Romney said. In a rare post-debate concession, some Democratic strategists not involved in the campaign conceded the president was not at his best and missed opportunities to challenge his rival.
The former Massachusetts governor virtually lectured Obama at one point after the president accused him of seeking to cut education funds. "Mr. President, you're entitled to your own airplane and your own house, but not your own facts," he said.
The economy dominated the evening, as it has the race for the White House all year. Pre-debate opinion polls showed Obama with a slight advantage in key battleground states and nationally.
Romney said he had plans to fix the economy, overhaul the tax code, repeal Obama's health care plan and replace with a better alternative, remake Medicare, pass a substitute for the legislation designed to prevent another financial crash and reduce deficits — but he provided no new specifics despite Obama's prodding.
Said Obama: "At some point the American people have to ask themselves: Is the reason Governor Romney is keeping all these plans secret, is it because they're going to be too good? Because middle class families benefit too much? No."
The two men debate twice more this month, but they were first going their separate ways on Thursday. Obama had campaign stops in Colorado and then Madison, Wis., while Romney was booked into Virginia. All three states are among the nine battlegrounds likely to settle the race.
At times the debate turned into rapid-fire charges and retorts that drew on dense facts and figures that were difficult to follow. The men argued over oil industry subsidies, federal spending as a percentage of the GDP, Medicare cuts, taxes and small businesses and the size of the federal deficit and how it grew.
Obama sometimes seemed somewhat professorial. Romney was more assertive and didn't hesitate to interrupt the president or moderator Jim Lehrer, who seemed to struggle to maintain control.
The wonky tone of the debate was a stark contrast to the harsh, broad-brush and sometimes personal attacks the two men make in person and in multimillion-dollar television advertising. Obama made no mention of Romney's videotaped remark that 47 percent of the country doesn't pay income taxes and believe themselves to be victims, entitled to government benefits. And Romney did not repeat a key theme from his national convention, that Obama's "you didn't build that" statement was a putdown of American initiative.
At the same time, Romney managed to make some points by personalizing his comments with recollections of people he said he had met on the campaign trail. In another folksy reference, Romney told Lehrer, a veteran of the Public Broadcasting Service, that he would stop the federal subsidy to PBS even though "I love Big Bird."
Generally polite but pointed, the two men agreed about little if anything.
Obama said his opponent's plan to reduce all tax rates by 20 percent would cost $5 trillion and benefit the wealthy at the expense of middle income taxpayers.
Shot back Romney: "Virtually everything he just said about my tax plan is inaccurate."
The former Massachusetts governor and businessman added that Obama's proposal to allow the expiration of tax cuts on upper-level income would mean tax increases on small businesses that create jobs by the hundreds of thousands.
The two campaign rivals clasped hands and smiled as they strode onto the debate stage at the University of Denver, then waved to the audience before taking their places behind identical lecterns.
There was a quick moment of laughter, when Obama referred to first lady Michelle Obama as "sweetie" and noted it was their 20th anniversary.
Romney added best wishes, and said to the first couple, "I'm sure this is the most romantic place you could imagine, here with me."
Both candidates' wives were in the audience.
Without saying so, the two rivals quickly got to the crux of their race — Romney's eagerness to turn the contest into a referendum on the past four years while the incumbent desires for voters to choose between his plan for the next four years and the one his rival backs.
Romney ticked off the dreary economic facts of life — a sharp spike in food stamps, economic growth "lower this year than last" and "23 million people out of work or stropped looking for work."
But Obama criticized Romney's prescriptions and his refusal to raise taxes and said, "if you take such an unbalanced approach then that means you are going to be gutting our investment in schools and education ... health care for seniors in nursing homes (and) for kids with disabilities."
Not surprisingly, the two men disagreed over Medicare, a flash point since Romney placed Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan on his ticket.
The president repeatedly described Romney's plan as a "voucher program" that would raise out-of-pocket costs on seniors.
He continued, directly addressing the voters at home: "If you're 54 or 55 you might want to listen because this will affect you."
Romney said he doesn't support any changes for current retirees or those close to retirement.
"If you're 60 or 60 and older you don't need to listen further," he said, but he contended that fundamental changes are needed to prevent the system from becoming insolvent as millions of baby boom generation Americans become eligible.
Romney also made a detailed case for repealing Obamacare, the name attached to the health care plan that Obama pushed through Congress in 2010. "It has killed jobs," he said, and argued that the best approach is to "do what we did in my state."
Though he didn't say so, when he was governor Massachusetts passed legislation that required residents to purchase coverage — the so-called individual mandate that conservatives and he oppose on a national level.
Romney also said that Obamacare would cut $716 billion from Medicare over the next decade.
The president said the changes were part of a plan to lengthen the program's life, and he added that AARP, the seniors lobby, supports it.
With a two-minute closing statement, Obama said he had spent his first four years in office fighting for those in the middle class and those seeking to make it there. "If you'll vote for me, I'll fight just as hard in my second term," he said.
Romney was as critical of Obama's tenure as he was the moment the two men walked onto the stage.
If the president is re-elected, he predicted continued economic trouble for the middle class, chronic unemployment, higher costs for health insurance and "dramatic cuts to the military."
Obama took office in the shadow of an economic crisis but promised a turnaround that hasn't materialized. Economic growth has been sluggish throughout his term, with unemployment above 8 percent since before he took office.
The two presidential rivals also are scheduled to debate on Oct. 16 in Hempstead, N.Y., and Oct. 22 in Boca Raton, Fla.
Vice President Joe Biden and Republican Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin have one debate, Oct. 11 in Danville, Ky. Both men have already begun holding practice sessions.
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Associated Press writer Kristen Wyatt contributed to this report. David Espo reported from Washington.
Copyright 2012 The Associated Press.
When all you people vote for Romney then he springs his "20% tax cut" on us don't say you haven't been warned...notice how you won't hear them talk about the math, why?  When you look at the cuts we know about there is only one logical explanation on how they are going to make this revenue neutral by "getting rid of loop holes and deductions" yet we don't know what they are because they won't tell us!  So let me take a stab
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Say goodbye to your home mortgage deduction!  State taxes written off your federal taxes....gone!  Property tax deduction....see ya!  Also, lets add how much your employer pays for your medical benefits onto your earnings.  Get ready to pay $2k-4k more a year but get told "your taxes were cut by 20%"  BS....the math does not add up!  Tell me that you WON'T get rid of any of these deductions Mittens AND that you will cut my taxes by 20%.  But then again it is probably more of a "read my lips" moment than anything else!
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Also if Mitt is soooooooo worried about deficit spending why is he taking 8 years to balance the budget instead of balancing it immediately?  Gee, why is he say it will take 8 years.....hmmmm, because in 8 years he is done being Pres if he wins 2.  It ain't rocket science!
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Obama sucks too.....don't get me wrong......but Mitt will turn the screws on the middle class like never before!  He is a flip flopping, lying, deceiving, bought off snake just like Obama!  It is the difference between pepsi and coke!
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I found it interesting that Obama was willing to blame bad loan policies on the economic breakdown but no one jumped on who was responsible for the mandates which created those policies. Has every one forgotten who vehemently denied that there was a problem? Yet his name was brought up as a resolution to the failures of Wall Street. Give me a break. Franks name came out like he was some kind of hero. Cows were already gone as he shut the barn door. Romney wants to go back to policies that have made this country one of the strongest countries for the past 100 years. Our social programs need to be a safety net, for those that can't. Not an escape plan for those that wont. Job creation is stiffled by just raising taxes. Washington politicians have proven time and again that they will sniff out money from the intended target and spend it like drunken sailors giving handouts to support personal reelection efforts. And if we get some of it, we love it. Americans need to take some personal responsibility.
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Obama's main message last night and for the past 3.x years - Government is there to prop you up. Give you the fish without requiring you to start fishing for yourself.
And to help us "fish" we need to 'fix' the economy.  The fundamentals haven't changed in the last 3.x years.  [Actually more like the last 30-40 years.]   Being able to put our hand in a cookie jar isn't always good for us.
I'm impressed with how well Romney's old prep school uniform still fits him !
"I'm not going to lower taxes on the wealthy"....Ya right. Whos his vice prez ?? o'l âmystery meatâ himself....anybody hear last nite how that "tax plan" would work ??? anybody ?? Ya, it was a secret because it's gonna help the middle class and robdme wants to surprise them, not like a birthday surprise, more like a horror flick surprise...SURPRISE !
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Obama was on top of his game last night. Obama was exceptional in his dispensing and explanation of the liberal ideology. Obama was nothing less than the heavyweight champion of the Liberal universe.Â
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What happened last night was the champion of liberalism [Obama] was taken out, slammed and had his hat handed to him by a middleweight conservative named [Romney].
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This was the Liberal ideology against the Conservative ideology, and it was an embarrassing loss for liberalism. The White House along with the main stream media will all share this talking point for the next few days: " Obama took his message to the people". Count on it. Â
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Obama wants to take Kill welfare........
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@cptmac11 ...Just in case you don't know it - "you are not the least bit humorous"...
I'll tell you what's NOT funny; no jobs, no fuel. no housing, no Social Security TRUST FUND, high prices on food and fuel, gay marriage, Biden, Pelosi, Reid, and OBAMA! Also trillions of debt to China, Fast and Furious, Eric Holder, Rev. Wright as a mentor to Obama for 20 years, sexual misconduct among the security personnel while in a foreign country. This is the Obama administration!!
The fat lady started singing last night. She is still singing right now and will continue singing through the election. This thing is over. I guess Michele is no longer proud of her country. The emperor is naked.
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why do they even bother debating, it really makes no difference. both sides will claim "debate victory"....vote as you see fit
No mention of 47% True, but no mention by Obama of "...you didn't build that" Romney got off easy.UnfortunatelyObama had an intentional political brain freeze -- and Mitt Romney won.Be warned. During one of the great debates, President Obama will have a strategic and planned brain freeze, thereby intentionally forfeiting the election to Romney. That's how bad the global, especially the American economic and environment situation has become. Obama knows how bad it really is -- it isn't his fault because he tried to reverse it, but failed, and knows Romney's election will cause the super Depression that should have struck four years ago, resulting, some years down the road, in a Phoenix-like ashes rebirth."
you are all idiots, nothing as far as presidency will change...most americans are more intelligent than that...most Americans, not you idiots rubbing up against your posters of Romney
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no, most americans, the working class, that get their jobs cut, their hours reduced, they are the 47% that Romney scoffs at, those are the ones that are not influenced by an arrogant businessman who insults the president for "trying" to make the economy better, whereas the Gov wants to make ways for corporate america and its lobyists
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I like your avatar, hilarious ! Wish they made them as large as your character !
i agree, you might be one of the only nonidiots posting tonight
If Obama loses miserably in debate with Romney, how does Obama hold up in debates against world leaders...
We need to send Obama packing, back to Chicago.
Here is  the headline that is a great example of MEDIA BIAS:  " Aggressive Romney spars with Obama over economy"
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I watched the entire debate, along with millions of other Americans -- Mr Romney was just pointed out the facts - Unemployment  40+ months above 8%, 23 million people out of work...Pointing the facts out - Is that what Channel 2 news calls being  "Aggressive" ??
I don't know who the heck this 'presidential debate committee' is, or whos in charge, but they're woefully naieve, or just hopelessly ignorant if they sincerely believe that they can contain either candidate to 2:00 responses to questions like 'what are the differences in your economic plans', or 'what is the role of the federal government'. I'd say that a more realistic time limit would be 7-10 minutes. Perhaps 3-4 questions total for the debate.Â
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I can't say that this debate made up my mind, but I can say that I am glad that the Romney camp is at least trying to give some substance to this often eluded to 'economic plan' that he and Ryan keep touting. The math doesn't add up, and it (from what I heard of it tonight) relies on presumed increases in revenue from (yet to be realized) jobs.... But, I applaud the Romney/Ryan camp for at least trying to carve some shapes in the fog. I do deduct some serious points from him for his incessant interruptions, even of the President, whenever he wanted to get a (well rehearsed) bullet point out.Â
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Insofar as President Obama.... I can't really put my finger on it, but he just doesn't come across as the President of the most powerful nation on earth. He's comes across as almost sheepish. Furthermore, I also am sick and freakin' tired of President Obama taking credit for the killing of Osama Bin Laden. At absolute best, you signed a peice of paper, Mr President. Hundreds of duty bound Men and Women working at expense of their own saftey found him, and about 20 highly trained and incredibly disciplined special forces Men put themselves decidedly in harms way to execute an operation in order to accomplish that task. Putting it under the banner of 'Obamas success' is an insult to them. STOP doing it.Â
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Ryan/Biden... couldn't care less. Neither one of them is anything more than a party poster boy at this point. A carnival barker for their respective parties candidate. Doubt I'll watch it, or even read a transcript.Â
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"Â I also am sick and freakin' tired of President Obama taking credit for the killing of Osama Bin Laden", so if things went wrong, solders dead or captured on foreign soil.....then obama would have been blamed for it right...(carter?) Can't have it both ways !
 @sargerator Can't speak for anyone else, but I wouldn't have. Just as I blame noone but a group of 16 men (and their mentors) for the events of 9/11, I don't blame Clinton for the 'blackhawk down'  Mogadishu deaths of service men and women. Nor do I blame Carter for the 160th S.O.A.R. deaths.Â
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What pi$$es me off more than anything is that it dishonors those who place themselves in harms way for us, and for the country. In my book, they get the credit, just as they must suffer the consequences if the plan fails. The combining of the military and the political circus is just one component of modern day politics that I dislike enormously. The military is not a PR machine. It's a group of dedicated and highly trained Men and Women who put their lives on the line daily for me and you AND the President.Â
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You mean like giving credit to B HO for killing Osama yet still blaming bush for the economy?????   thanks for the laugh of the day there sarg......
Romney spent a chunk of time defending Exon Mobile....wtf