Obama says immediate action needed on fiscal cliff
WASHINGTON (AP) - The end game at hand, the White House and Senate leaders took a final stab at compromise Friday night to prevent middle-class tax increases from taking effect at the turn of the new year and possibly prevent sweeping spending cuts as well.
"I'm optimistic we may still be able to reach an agreement that can pass both houses in time," President Barack Obama said at the White House after meeting for more than an hour with congressional leaders.
Surprisingly, after weeks of postelection gridlock, Senate leaders sounded even more bullish.
The Republican Leader, Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, said he was "hopeful and optimistic" of a deal, adding he hoped a compromise could be presented to rank-and-file lawmakers as early as Sunday, a little more than 24 hours before the year-end deadline.
Said Majority Leader Harry Reid: "I'm going to do everything I can" to prevent the tax increases and spending cuts that threaten to send the economy into recession. He cautioned, "Whatever we come up with is going to be imperfect."
Officials said there was a general understanding that any agreement would block scheduled income tax increases for middle class earners while letting rates rise at upper income levels.
Democrats said Obama was sticking to his campaign call for increases above $250,000 in annual income, even though in recent negotiations he said he could accept $400,000.
The two sides also confronted a divide over estate taxes.
Obama favors a higher tax than is currently in effect, but one senior Republican, Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona, said he's "totally dead set" against it. Speaking of fellow GOP lawmakers, he said they harbor more opposition to an increase in the estate tax than to letting taxes on income and investments rise at upper levels.
Also likely to be included in the negotiations are taxes on dividends and capital gains, both of which are scheduled to rise with the new year. Also the alternative minimum tax, which, if left unchanged, could hit millions of middle- and upper-income taxpayers for the first time.
In addition, Obama and Democrats want to prevent the expiration of unemployment benefits for the long-term jobless, and there is widespread sentiment in both parties to shelter doctors from a cut in Medicare fees.
The White House has shown increased concern about a possible spike in milk prices if a farm bill is not passed in the next few days, although it is not clear whether that issue, too, might be included in the talks.
One Republican who was briefed on the White House meeting said Boehner made it clear he would leave in place spending cuts scheduled to take effect unless alternative savings were found to offset them. If he prevails, that would defer politically difficult decisions on government benefit programs like Medicare until 2013.
Success was far from guaranteed in an atmosphere of political mistrust - even on a slimmed-down deal that postponed hard decisions about spending cuts into 2013 - in a Capitol where lawmakers grumbled about the likelihood of spending the new year holiday working.
In a brief appearance in the White House briefing room, Obama referred to "dysfunction in Washington," and said the American public is "not going to have any patience for a politically self-inflicted wound to our economy. Not right now."
If there is no compromise, he said he expects Reid to put legislation on the floor to prevent tax increases on the middle class and extend unemployment benefits - an implicit challenge to Republicans to dare to vote against what polls show is popular.
The guest list for the White House meeting included Reid, McConnell, Boehner and House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.
The same group last met more than a month ago and emerged expressing optimism they could strike a deal that avoided the fiscal cliff. At that point, Boehner had already said he was willing to let tax revenues rise as part of an agreement, and the president and his Democratic allies said they were ready to accept spending cuts.
Since then, though, talks between Obama and Boehner faltered, the speaker struggled to control his rebellious rank and file, and Reid and McConnell sparred almost daily in speeches on the Senate floor. Through it all, Wall Street has paid close attention, and in the moments before the meeting, stocks were trading lower for the fifth day in a row.
The core issue is the same as it has been for more than a year, Obama's demand for tax rates to rise on upper incomes while remaining at current levels for most Americans. He made the proposal central to his successful campaign for re-election, when he said incomes above $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for couples should rise to 39.6 percent from the current 35 percent.
Boehner refused for weeks to accept any rate increases, and simultaneously accused Obama of skimping on the spending cuts he would support as part of a balanced deal to reduce deficits, remove the threat of spending cuts and prevent the across-the-board tax cuts.
Last week, the Ohio Republican pivoted and presented a Plan B measure that would have let rates rise on million-dollar earners. That was well above Obama's latest offer, which called for a $400,000 threshold, but more than the speaker's rank and file were willing to accept.
Facing defeat, Boehner scrapped plans for a vote, leaving the economy on track for the cliff that political leaders in both parties had said they could avoid. In the aftermath, Democrats said they doubted any compromise was possible until Boehner has been elected to a second term as speaker when the new Congress convenes on Jan. 3.
Further compounding the year-end maneuvering, there are warnings that the price of milk could virtually double beginning next year.
Congressional officials said that under current law, the federal government is obligated to maintain prices so that fluid milk sells for about $20 per hundredweight. If the law lapses, the Department of Agriculture would be required to maintain a price closer to $36 of $38 per hundredweight, they said. It is unclear when price increases might be felt by consumers.
"I'm optimistic we may still be able to reach an agreement that can pass both houses in time," President Barack Obama said at the White House after meeting for more than an hour with congressional leaders.
Surprisingly, after weeks of postelection gridlock, Senate leaders sounded even more bullish.
The Republican Leader, Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, said he was "hopeful and optimistic" of a deal, adding he hoped a compromise could be presented to rank-and-file lawmakers as early as Sunday, a little more than 24 hours before the year-end deadline.
Said Majority Leader Harry Reid: "I'm going to do everything I can" to prevent the tax increases and spending cuts that threaten to send the economy into recession. He cautioned, "Whatever we come up with is going to be imperfect."
Officials said there was a general understanding that any agreement would block scheduled income tax increases for middle class earners while letting rates rise at upper income levels.
Democrats said Obama was sticking to his campaign call for increases above $250,000 in annual income, even though in recent negotiations he said he could accept $400,000.
The two sides also confronted a divide over estate taxes.
Obama favors a higher tax than is currently in effect, but one senior Republican, Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona, said he's "totally dead set" against it. Speaking of fellow GOP lawmakers, he said they harbor more opposition to an increase in the estate tax than to letting taxes on income and investments rise at upper levels.
Also likely to be included in the negotiations are taxes on dividends and capital gains, both of which are scheduled to rise with the new year. Also the alternative minimum tax, which, if left unchanged, could hit millions of middle- and upper-income taxpayers for the first time.
In addition, Obama and Democrats want to prevent the expiration of unemployment benefits for the long-term jobless, and there is widespread sentiment in both parties to shelter doctors from a cut in Medicare fees.
The White House has shown increased concern about a possible spike in milk prices if a farm bill is not passed in the next few days, although it is not clear whether that issue, too, might be included in the talks.
One Republican who was briefed on the White House meeting said Boehner made it clear he would leave in place spending cuts scheduled to take effect unless alternative savings were found to offset them. If he prevails, that would defer politically difficult decisions on government benefit programs like Medicare until 2013.
Success was far from guaranteed in an atmosphere of political mistrust - even on a slimmed-down deal that postponed hard decisions about spending cuts into 2013 - in a Capitol where lawmakers grumbled about the likelihood of spending the new year holiday working.
In a brief appearance in the White House briefing room, Obama referred to "dysfunction in Washington," and said the American public is "not going to have any patience for a politically self-inflicted wound to our economy. Not right now."
If there is no compromise, he said he expects Reid to put legislation on the floor to prevent tax increases on the middle class and extend unemployment benefits - an implicit challenge to Republicans to dare to vote against what polls show is popular.
The guest list for the White House meeting included Reid, McConnell, Boehner and House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.
The same group last met more than a month ago and emerged expressing optimism they could strike a deal that avoided the fiscal cliff. At that point, Boehner had already said he was willing to let tax revenues rise as part of an agreement, and the president and his Democratic allies said they were ready to accept spending cuts.
Since then, though, talks between Obama and Boehner faltered, the speaker struggled to control his rebellious rank and file, and Reid and McConnell sparred almost daily in speeches on the Senate floor. Through it all, Wall Street has paid close attention, and in the moments before the meeting, stocks were trading lower for the fifth day in a row.
The core issue is the same as it has been for more than a year, Obama's demand for tax rates to rise on upper incomes while remaining at current levels for most Americans. He made the proposal central to his successful campaign for re-election, when he said incomes above $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for couples should rise to 39.6 percent from the current 35 percent.
Boehner refused for weeks to accept any rate increases, and simultaneously accused Obama of skimping on the spending cuts he would support as part of a balanced deal to reduce deficits, remove the threat of spending cuts and prevent the across-the-board tax cuts.
Last week, the Ohio Republican pivoted and presented a Plan B measure that would have let rates rise on million-dollar earners. That was well above Obama's latest offer, which called for a $400,000 threshold, but more than the speaker's rank and file were willing to accept.
Facing defeat, Boehner scrapped plans for a vote, leaving the economy on track for the cliff that political leaders in both parties had said they could avoid. In the aftermath, Democrats said they doubted any compromise was possible until Boehner has been elected to a second term as speaker when the new Congress convenes on Jan. 3.
Further compounding the year-end maneuvering, there are warnings that the price of milk could virtually double beginning next year.
Congressional officials said that under current law, the federal government is obligated to maintain prices so that fluid milk sells for about $20 per hundredweight. If the law lapses, the Department of Agriculture would be required to maintain a price closer to $36 of $38 per hundredweight, they said. It is unclear when price increases might be felt by consumers.
Here's the real fiscal cliff. Our debt is currently calculated at about $16 trillion. The US has a population of about 313 million people. In 2012 there were 139 million IRS tax returns filed. About 30% that filed paid no taxes.
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 That leaves 97 million taxpayers. Each taxpayer now owes $164,948 toward the national debt. If the debt ceiling is raised to $20 trillion each will owe $207,000. This is math, not politics. A revolution should start if the politicians don't start acting like mathematicians.
It's high time to make a change in the culture of this country. Citizenship should be extended only to those who want to become a part of this country's lifestyle and workforce. Coming to this country purely for personal or family financial gain, and sending most of it back home to wherever, needs to cease. If you want to become a citizen of most European countries you need to prove that you can contribute to society by being a taxpayer and learning the language of the country you choose to live in. Allowing illegal aliens from whatever country to remain here, even offering incentives to stay is just plain wrong. I do not understand how this great country can keep bending over backwards providing benefits to those who chose to come here illegally, make money without paying taxes, and then claim benefits rightfully belonging to those who pay taxes and may actually deserve the benefits and entitlements they have worked for and paid taxes on. What path are we on anyway? If more and more Americans get unemployed joining those who are unemployable, what a dismal future we all face!
Hope and change. Great for campaigning. Not for implementation.
I don't think it really matters at this point. The people of this country are pretty much screwed regardless.
But its too bad this so called 'leader' doesn't exhibit some leadership for the first time in 4 years.
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@Jack_Bauer ......he doesn't know how, jack. Remember, his "experience" was as a community organizer and two whole years in a voting academy. Leadership skills? Noticeably absent !
 @Rob C 503 You are presuming - he could be one of those 'Natural Born Leaders' that we hear so much about, right? I did not think so either...
The fall begins soon...does anyone know how far one falls before reaching terminal velocity ?
@Glenn Pierce 1186 ft in a controlled freefall position or frog or 11sec, for the average human!
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Where are all the Barrak supporters and voters ? Oh thats right....they are getting the Barrak bonner too....LOL
Based upon the headline, I will say, "Duh!"
What if they've already come to a compromise and they're just creating a false conflict because they know they can get more Americans behind them if it appears like they actually sweated it out?
 @PDXguy23 Behind whom? A bigger tub of Vaseline??
King Omama speaks in 'platitudinarian' that he has to read from two different teleprompters and of course the cameras make it look like he his scanning the crowd and making eye contact. King Omama wants this to happen so he and Moochelle can laugh at us all on their way to bed. What fools we are, and were, to believe this dolt's rhetoric - we get what we deserve for not paying attention.
Oh yea, 'platitudinarian' stems from the word, 'platitude' which in essence means -Â A trite or obvious remark that he is famous for.
This pee poor excuse for a president never misses an opportunity to cast blame. Â If he wants to see the reason for the mess we are in, he should look in a mirror. Â I guess, dictator wannabes probably don't do that.
 @boomer ~  Not defending any of these people in any way, boomer, but this has been going on for a l-o-n-g time now... probably since before Obama was old enough to even know what a politician was...  Â
As for "blame"... well, we-the-voters can ALSO take a good hard look in the mirror, because WE are the ones who put these people into office; some of them, time-after-time-after-time... Â We have abysmal voter turnouts at elections most of the time... way too many people who refuse to get off their butts to vote, but are first-up to complain about anything and everything... and other people who vote, but without putting any intelligent effort into it.. they just plant a check-mark next to whoever's name has an "R" or a "D" next to it...Â
These politicians are breaking and bankrupting our country... and we're letting them do it...Â
I love how neither one of them is okay with extending the child tax credits that are so nice for so many middle class Americans. The Republicans only seem interested in the rich and the Democrats only in the poor. Just once, I'd like to see someone stand up for the MIddle Class. Sigh....
 @OSUx2 Is it really that surprising that they only seem interested in those who will help them win elections the most?
 @OSUx2 ~  "Just once, I'd like to see someone stand up for the Middle Class."
Now that would be a refreshing change, wouldn't it..?!? Â Â
 @margay1 Are you the 'margay' I believe you to be with your genius at writing columns?Â
 @boned ~ Not sure if I understand your question... but I'm not a professional writer, if that's what you're asking... :-)
Higher taxes, Medicare cuts, defense cuts. All these happen if the president and congress don't act. Could Obama ask for more? Well, he gets an added bonus if nothing happens - he, the democrats, and the liberal media will blame all of it on the republicans. He and the public will conveniently forget that the republicans submitted multiple proposals, all of which Obama immediately threw in the trash can, unread.
Wow, look! The Emperor has no clothes!
 @Lo Pan Yea, $2,500 suits with bullet proof fibers sewn in...
@boned But we can still see through it
It has gotten a little tiring hearing Obama and Harry Reid doing their best to blame the congress for our troubles. When harry Reid has 32 (thirty two) bills sitting on his desk that HE refuses to allow to be brought to the floor to be voted on. Liberal Democrat Harry Reid is one of the major roadblocks to anything getting done.Â
@last boyscout Reid may be one major roadblock. Boehner is another major roadblock. And then there is Mitch McConnell, whose sole mission in life was to keep Obama from getting elected. He failed and now is floundering. The problem belongs to both parties. There is no shortage in intransigence on either side. Anybody who believes the blame belongs on one party is allowing their own bias to cloud their vision.
 @I812 Could we all stand together just long enough to remove EVERY single one of them from office, from Obama to the last senator? Then have another election in February. I'd be glad to vote all over again.
@last boyscout I am all in favor of voting out every politician holding national office as soon as possible. It is time for wholesale change. The culture in Congress is poison with no antidote. It is a hierarchical club where seniority rules and those with less seniority must play the game if they have any hope of ever achieving power. It is a clique where egos rule and nearly always trump national interest.
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One would think with a 9% approval rating of Congress the voter would be eager to remove the incumbents but that is not the case. The vast majority of incumbents get re-elected. It has been said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Well, the American voters must be insane because they keep electing the same people.Â
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Let's all take a chance and throw the incumbents out. It is human nature to resist dramatic change but what do we have to lose? I want people in Washington whose sole intent is to do what is right for the United States of America and United States citizens. Until we as voters demand it, it will not happen. In the meantime we are allowing 535 people to hold the American people, the American economy, and the American dream hostage.
It's gotten to the point that I don't really care what happens. The socialists won the election, and they're getting exactly what they wanted.Â
 Get ready to stand in line for your ration of bread, and potatoes.
 @Razor1    Beet juice cocktails for everyone!!
Said Majority Leader Harry Reid: "I'm going to do everything I can". Well, Harry Reid, you can start by resigning, along with the rest of your gang. This way major roadblocks would be removed and we would only have to deal with one megalomaniac, and that is bad enough already.
...at this point, I'm inclined to believe that neither parties leadership actually wants to avert the spending cuts and tax increases that the 'fiscal cliff' will cause. Instead, they both get to posture and preen while doing what most elected officials do best... nothing.Â
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In the end, both leaders get to blame the 'other party' for whatever cuts or tax increases occur, so there's no 'real' harm done to any candidates or parties....of course, the cuts to spending are more PR than substance, as most of the cuts to spending would then probably end up being replaced by spending in some earmarks, and happen without the national news spotlight.Â
Its doesn't matter, we needed spending cuts and tax increases and got both. Mission accomplished.
Talk,talk,talk,talk,talk.... Â my lord, with all the hot air blowin' out of Wash DC, if they could harness all that, it could probably provide electrical power for the whole city...
@margay1 .....no Margay. It has to be solar. That the dept. of energy spends billions of dollars on. Hot air just won't do it!
 @Rob C 503  @margay1 ~ Oh yeah... silly me... forgot all about our president's pet solar project...  Â
I still think we'd have a better result with the hot air, though... if we're gonna be stuck with all those darned politicians, lobbyists, etc, we should get SOMETHING useful from them...
@margay1 ....tee-hee !
 @margay1 I'd noticed that the capitol building always seems to have bare steps and driveways, even in snowstorms.... I'd assumed that it was landscaping crews.Â
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Just enough hot air in the building to keep the temps above freezing in proximity to the building could account for it too.
 @MarkKpic  ~  Good one, Mark..!  :-)
 @margay1 I guess it's a good thing Obama's actions don't provide electrical power otherwise you'd think you where living in the stone age.
It was nice to see a President finally tell those windbags in Washington DC To S--T or get off the pot.
@zardan That's part of the problem, he is good at talking, but that's all he does. That's all any of them do. All show, no go.
"pres says immediate action needed on fiscal cliff."
So where is the action man? I don't see any action. Didn't you guys have a whole year to work this out? The last time this happened was last year and we wait until the last minute? Cmon!
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It is my opinion that they actually want this to happen, so that they can tax middle class americans.
 @portlandborn83 Yeah, and no one wants to be known as the one who let it happen.
 @techguy  @portlandborn83 Obama will find a way to blame it on the republicans, or Bush, anyone but himself..
@axpman  I dont like Obama much (I never voted for him) but I think that EVERYONE in DC will be blaming EVERYONE else. Its not just an Obama problem.
Bring on the Gitterdone crowd...oh wait they're already here;-)
@CramRalphden   """"""Bring on the Gitterdone crowd...oh wait they're already here;-)""""
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typical condescending post of the left..... to be expected though.....
short on thoughtful input, long on insults.....nice
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 @kramr "short on thoughtful input,  long on insults" says the person who insults the President by not calling him by his actual name (see your previous post). Besides the fact that IN that sentence you are insulting democrats by saying they all are short on thoughtful input. Isn't that being pretty hypocritical? Just pointing out the obvious.
 @WebFootSTi @Kymberlie2873   """"""says the person who insults the President"""""""
Its called a sense of humor....... C'mon now, this is funny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjrthOPLAKM
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BTW, I'd bet my lunch money you didn't get thru eight years of W without calling him names now did you..
I'd also say that polking fun at politicians is a lot different than personal attacks on this  forum.
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"""""""Besides the fact that IN that sentence you are insulting democrats by saying they all are short on thoughtful input"""""
You will notice my post does NOT include the word "all". That is YOUR assumptoin not mine. My post meant in general and I was not insulting anyone....... just pointing out the obvious :)