Oregon House approves new Columbia River bridge

SALEM, Ore. (AP) — Efforts to replace a bridge connecting Portland with Vancouver, Wash., are headed toward speed bumps in the form of a familiar point of contention in the area — light rail.
A $3.4 billion plan to add lanes to the perpetually bottlenecked span over Interstate 5 sailed through the Oregon House on Monday, and the proposal, which Gov. John Kitzhaber supports, could clear the state Senate next week.
It will then be Washington state's turn to decide whether fund its share of the project, and political leaders in the area are divided.
"It would be a disaster for our county," said David Madore, a commissioner in Clark County, which includes Vancouver.
Madore's opposition centers on a plan to expand light rail service with the bridge. Madore says he supports an expanded vehicle bridge, but considers light rail a waste of money that could be better spent on roads and highways. He fears the metro Portland transit agency, TriMet, is trying to expand its tax base into Washington state.
"Clark County is not to be a parking lot for Portland or a bedroom community for Portland," he said. "Clark County is not Portland, and we'd like to be able to keep Clark County, Clark County."
Vancouver voters have signaled opposition to the light rail expansion plan as well, rejecting a new sales tax to help pay for such a project in November.
Light rail supporters, however, say that component is necessary to get federal transit funds for the project. Three Democratic lawmakers from Vancouver wrote Washington Gov. Jay Inslee earlier this month backing the construction project, including light rail.
Opposition to the project goes beyond light rail. Critics of government spending question the cost of the project and neighborhood groups worry about the impact of pollution and congestion at other chokepoints on Interstate 5.
Still, there are powerful supporters, including the governors of Oregon and Washington and the mayor of Vancouver. Business groups are eager to speed the flow of freight through the I-5 corridor. And unions are looking forward to thousands of construction jobs.
"We've all got a responsibility to help future generations, our children, their children, just as we are benefiting from the infrastructure investments" made by earlier generations, said Democratic Rep. Tobias Read of Beaverton, one of the project's chief proponents. "We are coasting, in many ways, on the fumes of the investments that they made."
The existing bridges are a chokepoint for traffic on I-5 and are vulnerable to damage in a major earthquake. Severe traffic snarls are common when a section is lifted to allow tall river traffic to pass.
The $3.4 billion project would include two new double-decker bridges with five travel lanes in each direction — up from three — and space for pedestrians, bicyclists and light-rail trains. Oregon and Washington are each responsible for $450 million, with the federal government and toll revenue paying the rest.
Oregon lawmakers voted to sell bonds to cover the state's share of the project cost as long as certain conditions are met, including approval of funding from Washington state and the federal government and a U.S. Coast Guard permit.
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SALEM, Ore. (AP) — The Oregon House on Monday approved $450 million in bonds to help pay for new Interstate 5 and light-rail bridges connecting Portland and Vancouver across the Columbia River.
Lawmakers approved the funding despite complaints that it lacks a definitive revenue source to repay the bonds at a cost of about $28 million a year for three decades. Proponents say they'll use a federal highway fund windfall to cover the cost in the first three years and may seek a dedicated revenue source — like a hike in gas taxes or vehicle fees — as part of a large transportation package in 2015.
The House's 45-11 vote sends the measure to the Senate. Democratic Gov. John Kitzhaber is a strong supporter of the project and his spokesman, Tim Raphael, said the governor would sign the bill.
Oregon will be able to sell bonds only if Washington state comes up with its own $450 million share, the federal government puts up more than $1 billion and the U.S. Coast Guard issues a permit.
The $3.4 billion project would include two new bridges for vehicles, pedestrians, bicyclists and light rail trains, along with new freeway interchanges on both sides of the river. Project designs call for two double-decker bridges with 10 highway travel lanes in each direction, up from six. Portland's MAX light-rail trains would be extended to downtown Vancouver.
The existing bridges are a chokepoint for traffic on I-5 and are vulnerable to damage in a major earthquake. The project has strong support from business groups that hope to speed the flow of freight into and out of ports in Portland and the Puget Sound and from unions looking forward to new construction jobs.
Vocal critics include light rail opponents, neighborhood activists concerned about traffic and pollution, and anti-tax advocates who question the need for the project and its funding. Residents of some North and Northeast Portland neighborhoods fear the project will just move congestion to another I-5 choke point at the Rose Quarter near downtown. Residents of neighborhoods farther east fear tolls on the new bridges will divert traffic to Interstate 205, the only other Columbia River crossing point in metro Portland.
Light rail has been a particularly contentious flashpoint. The budget relies on federal transit funding, and the Obama administration is interested in the project in part because it includes multiple modes of transportation. But light rail critics say it's far too expensive.
Vancouver voters in November rejected a new sales tax to help pay for the light rail extension.
Lightrail only wants to go over there so they can start taxing them the metro tax rate of 22%
Come on Charlie - Pots holes before bridges
Is it going to be high enough for river traffic to get under? I thought the Coast Guard had some concerns.
The hipster they interviewed on the radio who was advocating it said, well, unemployment rates are high and interest rates are low so this is the best time to do it.
Hell, by that logic, I should go out and buy a jet. I can't afford one, but, when are interest rates EVER gonna be this low?!
Talk about a waste of money look at all the politicians in Oregon spending money to put fluoride in the water. Go to last thing on the page and it tells all. Funny thing none live in Portland..........http://www.kenricashe.com/intolerable/blog.cfm?cal=intolerable&ID=048316a6-347b-292d-a054-1b18675fdb1d
What a waste of money, Â let's look at the contractors and which lobbyists and politicians are making the money.
I'm curious where the 450 million is going to come from. Take it away from schools and public safety?
@scoreboardÂ
At this point they don't know. Some of it will almost assuredly come from tolls. There is also talk of getting a waiver to allow tolling on I-205 as well. But the numbers still show a lot of money that is going to have to come from somewhere. Yes, it won't have to be paid all at once since their plan is to issue bonds. But still you have to come up with funds every biennium to cover the debt payments during that budget cycle.
The politicians are ruining this state. Look at all the money they gave to the campaign pushing to pur fluoride in the water. I was shocked. Vote No on fluoride in May 2013...http://www.cleanwaterportland.org/ Â Thanks
I think Oregon and Washington citizens should vote on the rail aspect of this bridge. Then when everybody says NO we can drop this crap for good.
Bike lanes, light rail....where's the wheel chair lane?
We need a new bridge, without a doubt, but it saddens me that they continue to force light rail on everyone. Time and again, when the public has a say, it's voted down. sigh.....
So, first Kitzhaber proposes to remove Gillnets from the columbia. Meaning rural Oregon, Columbia and Clatsop counties. Lose money because some income is raised that way. Then the state house okays illegal tuition for illegal imigrants taking money from hard working parents who are oregonians. and now all the rest of the state roads will suffer because there are no funds to repair roads because its all going to the Portland area. Will the insanity ever end? Aren't we still in a recession?
The bridge boondoggle is going to cost close to nine billion, not three or four billion, as they keep repeating over and over. Â So, 450 million is a long way from paying for it. Â This is the same mentality that obama and his puppets use. Â Lies and more lies. Â It's looking more like a revolution will be the only way to stop the craziness coming from our elected officials.
@Shadow and I'm sure you have indisputable facts showing your numbers are accurate, right?
@Ramsesthegreat
Actually, there have been several news stories lately showing how badly over budget ODOT has been on large projects - often times about three times as much as the estimate. The Environmental Impact Study alone cost five times the original estimate and was a year and a half late. http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-18141-the_runaway_bridge_budget.html
A quick Google search should find you more information on the budget woes of ODOT, the CRC, and why some are estimating it'll cost up to $10b to build it. The site tends to kick out comments that have more than one link, so I can't list more for you.
@Ramsesthegreat Right. All of a sudden accuracy and facts matter to you.
@Ramsesthegreatâ. . . just liberals support the poor and needy with them while conservatives support the ultra wealthy with them. . .â
And just where do you get these âfactsâ?
Read âA Rare Survey of the One Percentâ and see.  The âone percentâ are far more active in helping the those in poverty and needy than the members of the general public.  http://www.northwestern.edu/newscenter/stories/2011/12/one-percent-lomax-cook.html
Of the âone percentâ, only 33 percent identify themselves as Republicans.  So to identify âconservativeâ as âRepublicanâ is not factual.  http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/69776.html
@Ramsesthegreat "conservatives support the ultra wealthy"
Hey, I don't know about you, jackwagon, but I pay my taxes and work for a living. I don't support the ultra wealthy; my property taxes support union school teachers in public school where my kid doesn't even attend, and it buys tanks and fighter planes for Egypt, not to mention programs like Head Start.
Your ignorance is awesome. I'm done with it.
@Playanekes I see I must have hit a nerve since you saw fit to resort to smear and name calling. Quality post, seriously. Quality. And BTW Both sides are all for entitlements, just liberals support the poor and needy with them while conservatives support the ultra wealthy with them.
@Ramsesthegreat I'm not a Republican either. It's funny listening to angry super-liberal pukestains automatically assume that anybody who is critical of their King is automatically a Republican or a Bush fan. Fact is, I was dumb enough to vote for Obama and Kitzhaber. Once. I never voted for a Bush, but here you monkeys are slinging the same crap year after year.
I'm voting Republican henceforth because the liberal whining, entitlement-hoarding bastards are even more morally- and politically-corrupt than the conservatives. So, I hope my fellow Independents will rise up and ball-stomp the Democrats for their arrogance as hard as we did the Republicans, now that the it's clear to the Republican party that they can't just ignore us.
@Playanekes facts always matter to me. This is the reason I'm not a Republican.
@Ramsesthegreat Any past large government project....... And since when do you care about facts? Your last post said that half of the mass shootings have happened in the past decade. Clearly facts have little value to you.
@Ramsesthegreat Since 2005? Well that's part of the past decade isn't it?
@Jeepers actually I stated that nearly half of the mass shootings in the last 100 years have happened since 2005. Apparently reading comprehension has little value to you.
How can anyone propose something so expensive and not know how they'll pay it back? "We might introduce a gas tax or something, don't worry that won't be for years so let's just spend now".
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@TheUglyTruth Funny, the "Liberal spending policies" don't seem all that different than the Conservative spending policies. Unless, of course we've only had liberals in charge for the last 80 years.
@JTesla @TheUglyTruth Perhaps, but it just keeps getting worse and worse. All this "well he did it so we can do it" mentality must stop. Some party, ANY party, must put their foot down and say enough is enough - control the spending! Democrats are unwilling, Obama has his fingers crossed behind him when he says he'll do future cuts as he kicks the can down the road and the Republicans fold and allow for tax increases believing that Obama will actually hold true to his word. Alas, he does not. In fact, after the fact, he states that he will not discuss spending cuts. Can't wait until Friday - Republicans, do your jobs and don't fold to Obamas lies once again - let the cuts begin!
So they only way they could get the President to Obama-phone in his endorsement was to add light rail and bike lanes.
I hate what the politicians are doing to America. They no longer represent us. They force us to choose which of them will be our dictators, and how much it's going to cost us, and which special interests will be favored. That's what they do. They don't protect us, they don't serve us, they don't work for us, they don't fix our streets or balance our budget, unless it matches their beliefs or garners them national or international favor. And if you disagree with them and don't give them what they want, whether it's taxes, land or guns, they will take your property, your money, and your freedom.
They are cutting Head Start to sequester, and Immigration has just bought enough ammunition to kill everybody in Mexico and the border states. (How much is enough, when they're trying to get the EPA to ban ammunition sales because of lead content?)
We are on our own.
@Playanekes
"...when they're trying to get the EPA to ban ammunition sales because of lead content"
Worked in Great Britain.Â
@Repoman @Playanekes .... while A-10s and artillery units blaze away with depleted uranium and lead.
Remember back in '95 when Clinton acknowledged the existence of Area 51 by excluding it from EPA regulation? It has a little to do with what was eventually the Cassini rocket, and the individual who told me that died of brain cancer a few years ago, in her mid-30s.
@Diogenes @Repoman (The stoic / Epicurian thing must have flown over her head. "Look, there, Alexander! It's Phaethon!")
@Diogenes @Playanekes @Repoman In other words, you're sweet on me in a verbally-abusive kind of way. Isn't that cute?
LOL!  So are you Stoic, or Epicurian?
@Diogenes lol dear god you're funny when you try and act tough/intelligent.
I was commending you.
@Playanekes @Diogenes @RepomanÂ
No, I think I'll stick around. Â Watching idiots like you concoct stupid anecdotes about nothing entertains me. Â I think I'll just mock you mercilessly while you try to be the big bad Internet Tough Guy.
@Diogenes @Playanekes @Repoman God has nothing to do with it.
That wasn't a Clinton-bashing thing either. Just dudes talking about stuff. If you can't hang with that, beat it.
From the CRC to Area 51 and brain cancer in two posts... impressive!
@Playanekes @RepomanÂ
...for God's sake....
The state of Oregon and Washington is about $2 billion dollars in debt each from the last few years...and now we get this crock of crap!?
Who else thinks our current bridge meets our transportation needs for the next 5-10 years? Traffic is going down and not up, this just makes no sense at this time in history.Â
What have they done to make the bridge taller than originally called for? We need river traffic to be able to travel up and down the Columbia unimpeded!
@portlandborn83 "Who else thinks our current bridge meets our transportation needs for the next 5-10 years?"
Well obviously you don't. From what you typed below: "Downstream and upstream of the bridge, the freeway can't handle the amount of vehicles!"
Besides, at the rate they are moving on this it is going to need to take care of the traffic starting 20 to 30 years from now.
"Portland's MAX light-rail trains would be extended to downtown Vancouver."
Well of course it would, they voted it down so why not do the exact opposite of what the residents of Vancouver want!  Way to represent your people Vancouver government! Â
my favorite CRC songs are, run thru the jungle, keep on chooglin and proud mary.  thoughts ad prayers
What a waste of money.....typical liberals.
@sortbait yes because conservatives never waste money. The Iraq war never happened and neither did Reagan's administration which nearly quadrupled the national debt. Knowledge of simple history is obviously severely lacking from your life. I suggest educating yourself.
@Ramsesthegreat Only republicans waste money? Wow that's weird I didn't Learn that one in school.
@Jeepers where did I state that only republicans waste money? Do you actually read, or do you simply look at the first sentence and guess about the rest?
@sortbait We dont have a spending problem  LMAO...were effen doomed
Once the people who never use the lightrail(Oregon politicians) realize the only way this bridge will get built is if they separate the light rail from the bridge proposal will it get built. Stop trying to shoe horn your hobby horses through, the Washington voters won't go for it. The Washington voters can see how worthless the light rail is by coming to Portland and riding it. At this point the bridge only needs to be expanded in the North bound direction, adding more lanes to the southbound lanes will not help traffic. The bottle neck is not the bridge when you head southbound, the bottleneck is the inadequacy of ODOT planning through Portland. The only real solution is the crazy one, either a tunnel, or a reversible expressway, similar to the Golden Gate bridge and I-5 North of Seattle. Washington voters know what works and will continue to support C-tran as long as it's not tied to any light-rail expansion, even C-tran has figured this out. C-tran is a public transit solution that works. Make the HOV lane 24 hours a day and continue it over the interstate bridge, stopping it at Hayden Island is madness.   TUNNELS, lets move into the 21st century and bury the damn traffic.
@DaveÂ
Between 125,000 and 135,000 people ride MAX every weekday. Â Math not your thing?
@Diogenes @Dave It may move 135,000 people a day, but show me one place where light rail moves people more efficiently or more cheaply than the tri-met buses did that it displaced. Given a choice REAL commuter chose the bus sytem over the inefficient light rail everytime. Of course the first thing Tri-met does is remove the buses that compete directly with their lightrail. This is most obvious where C-tran buses used to compete directly with the MAX. The best example was when C-tran ran a bus from Gateway to downtown. The line of people getting off the MAX to ride the C-tran bus along 84 Meant standing room only on the C-tran buses. Of course Tri-met eventually stopped this again forcing commuters to use the MAX. If you use Portland's transit system and travel the world, you'll realize how it may look pretty for the money, but it certainly isn't designed to perform. If Tri-met pushes the light rail to Vancouver, it will be a minimum of one hour travel time from Vancouver to Pioneer Square; compare that to 15 minutes on a C-Tran bus and that is the height of rush hour.  Again, the light rail will look real pretty crossing the columbia river, but will be a huge step backwards for Vancouver commuters. That same route the light rail will take an hour to travel from Vancouver to Pioneer square takes 45 minutes to cycle, money would obviously be better spent on improving the cycle routes.
@Diogenes @Dave  And probably half of them pay to ride it. I used to commute on MAX. I know that if you watch a bunch of Asian women by tickets, they'll do things like punch in the Senior Citizen discount at the Gateway ticket booth, while high school kids just get on and off without paying.Â
If they see the fare inspectors get on the front of the train, they move to the back of the train, or they just get off and presumably hop on the next one.
@Playanekes @Diogenes @DaveÂ
Just as a note - high schoolers tend to have a pass, which means they don't buy and punch a ticket when they get on. They have a pass in their wallet, purse, etc. and if asked by an inspector, they show it. If they're in PPS, this is especially true since they get passes because the district does not offer its own bus service.
@Diogenes @Playanekes @Dave Well, that solves everything, doesn't it, liberal?Â
That just means there's that many more freeloaders. Because if you had half a neuron of intellectual integrity or common freakin' sense you would acknowledge the fact that lots and lots and lots of people on the train don't buy tickets or otherwise cheat the system.
And you know it. You just have no philosophical, rhetorical or political integrity. You're just a dishonest, snarky urban idiot.  Kiss kiss.
@Repoman @Playanekes @Diogenes @Dave I was at the airport in Harlingen, Texas when some Pakistanis tried walked up toward the gate, then started limping, and hobbled up to the counter and requested priority seating because her hip was going out and he had a bad knee.
They directed them off to the side, and about six TSA agents showed up. That was glorious. In that moment, I was proud of TSA.
...Also, I had a military-issue ballistic flaregun and six signal flares in my carry-on that I forgot to take out of my flight bag survival kit.Â
@Playanekes @Diogenes @DaveÂ
No, they arrive at those figures based on fares paid. Â Folks who don't pay the fare aren't being counted. Â Do try and keep up.
@Playanekes@Diogenes@Dave
Or act stupid.Â
I don't speak English, I didn't understand it, I am old enough (or young enough for youth) but don't have any ID (yet paid with a credit card).Â
You could not pay me enough to be a fare inspector. Well you could, but then I would just use that money to sub-contract the actual work out to another poor sap.Â
@Dave agree with everything except tunnels. the geology might be conducive but if they can't figure out a cheaper bridge, tunnels are never cheaper to start with.
@Bio Sphere@Dave
The geology is SO BAD.Â
I mean you could not put tunnels in Portland because of earthquakes and the hard bedrock we have.Â
I mean if tunnels worked anywhere on the Pacific rim, then you would see mass transit in tunnels in places like Tokyo, Taiwan, LA and San Francisco.Â
@Bio Sphere@DaveTunnels are a crazy solution, but if you're looking more than 10 years into the future, they start to make a lot more sense and pay for themselves on so many levels. Look at vehicular tunnels in real cities around the world and it becomes obvious that they are an investment in our future.  Immediately you don't have to worry about impacting river traffic or impacting the local airports. The tunnel will only have to deal with I-5 traffic, so remove the light rail costs and the pedestrian/bicycle costs and restrictions.  A pedestrian only bridge would be a very cheap project in comparison.  Washington voters, remember every-time there is a bridge lift that is Washington jobs and exports being floated down the river. If the bridge is not built high enough it is Washington that will lose jobs to another state. Think Greenberry and TMF combined. TMF ships about $76 million worth of metal structure projects per year, and supports another $25.8 million in business revenue throughout Clark County. Currently, Greenberry have about 500 employees (175 here in Vancouver), and revenue has grown to $185 million.
Remember in the last five years, Washington residents have paid over $1 billion in Oregan state income tax, more than enough to finance a tunnel.