PERS reform will be debated, but what will happen?
SALEM, Ore. – Reform of the state's public retirement system is on the table for this year’s legislative session but what reforms will look like at the end of it is a big question mark right now.
Lawmakers at the annual Associated Press legislative preview at the Capitol on Tuesday were hesitant to look to into their crystal balls and predict the outcome of any changes to PERS.
Gov. John Kitzhaber, however, has laid out three specific things he wants to happen with the system: eliminate the tax benefit to state employees who are retired but don't live in the state, reduce annual cost-of-living increases and eliminate or reduce the taxpayer "pickup" of employee contributions for their retirement.
The governor wrote the first two ideas into his proposed budget. That last one, however, was not part of his budget, although Kitzhaber has said he still supports moving ahead with it.
The Democrats may have a harder time swallowing the pill of reform since many of those who have helped get them elected benefit from the PERS system, namely public employees and unions.
Newly minted House Speaker Tina Kotek, D-Portland, described herself as "cautious" Tuesday about any reforms to the PERS system.
"I'm pragmatic, I'm cautious. I think we need to understand all the numbers in the governor's budget," she said. "You don't put your budget together overnight."
She said she hasn't seen all the numbers related to PERS reforms and is still looking at them.
"We want to make sure whatever we do in that regard is fair, legal and actionable," she said.
Republican House Minority Leader Mike McLane of Powell Butte said he’s generally supportive of the governor’s proposals for reforming PERS and called them "sensible" but "the fact is any new revenues from it doesn't cover the PERS increase just for this biennium. So it doesn't, in essence, put any more teachers into the classroom."
But for the governor, who also spoke to members of the press during the AP's legislative preview, he's betting that his proposed savings not only in PERS but in the health care and the prison systems will enable the state to reinvest that money into education.
And to the concerns that legislators raised, especially Democrats, that education is still not being funded adequately, Kitzhaber said it really boils down to math, but he would support more money for schools.
"I don't believe that the Legislature is going to go out of here with a $6.15 billion school budget. They're going to actually pump that up, and I would support that," he said. "I think we need another 200, 300 million dollars in our school budget this year to actually stop the hemorrhaging."
He emphasized that lawmakers are going to have to find a way to pay for the increased funding.
Kitzhaber said he’s studied PERS reforms for the last six months and asked for options.
"To me this is the only option, to me – or maybe one of the few options – I may not be seeing something – that gives you the latitude to reinvest in schools and if you can find some additional resources through tax expenditures, I think you can address these questions," he said.
Kitzhaber said it's difficult to see "a pathway to an adequate school investment and dealing with the human resource side without making some modifications in the PERS system."
If lawmakers do pass reforms to PERS, many aspects of those reforms will surely be challenged in court. Kitzhaber has said in the past that he's confident his reforms will pass muster because a court ruling left open the possibility of modifying the system. He's said the Department of Justice believes his ideas are strongly defensible.
The legislative and executive branches of state government are now controlled by the Democrats. During the two years of previous legislative sessions, the House was evenly split with 30 Republicans and 30 Democrats. But during last November's election, Democrats regained control of the House by a 34-26 margin and retained control of the Senate, 16-14.
McLane conceded that the end-game for the session will likely look Democratic.
"We accomplished a lot the last two years, but co-governance is over," he said. "In the end this is going to be defined by what Speaker Kotek and the elected Democrats choose to do or choose not to do."
Regardless, the House Republicans laid out their agenda of creating jobs, improving education, creating a "robust" reserve fund and holding government accountable, especially in looking at ways to reduce fraud in state government.
For Kotek and House Democrats, their priorities are much the same: having a strong public education system, putting people back to work and having an efficient state government.
Both parties have different ideas, however, on how to get there, and how lawmakers reach those goals and what they'll look like is what they'll be debating and hammering out in the next six months.
Reform PERS. Â Get rid of it.
Those who have already retired have contractual rights to their money. Oregon Supreme court has spoke, the ship has sailed. Belloti's obscenity is a done deal.
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Change the rules for future retirees who aren't in the glorified 401K (tier three): Maximum monthly payout of $5000, regardless of time served, vested amount, etc. Those who don't like that should have the option to get a lump sum. What your retirement amount is when you retire is what it will be until you pass away, no COLAs (you built up your retirement while you worked, it is what it is).
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According to an actuary I work with, this will make PERS fully funded without further increases by 2018, sooner if a lot of lump sum payouts occur and/or the Market surges.
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Note: In 2006, PERS was 108% funded and contributions were cut in half TWICE. No one complained about the cuts. Just think what the situation would be if Dennis Richardson (R, Roseburg) had gotten his way in 2007 and had the 8% "overfunding" of the system returned to taxpayers . . . .
Gov. John Kitzhaber! just ask or a copy of "Wisconsin budget repair bill" from Gov Scott Walker! That's what Oregon needs!
 @america no common sense! Wisconsin is facing a $3 Billion shortfall under the repair bill.
you are soo wrong!! check again!
 Wisconsin Goes From 3 Billion Deficit to 300 Million Surplus. http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/2450
No one is touching PERS. Fastest way to not get reelected is pushing for reform. It is all about getting reelected at all political levels, that is why nothing is getting done.
After 35+ years in Oregon law enforcement, I am entitled to the PERS I get! Period! If they want to take my pension, so be it! Bu I earned every penny of what I now get! Having retired under Tier 1 in 2011, I feel that somehow I am owed what I now get. It;s not my fault that the economy tanked. I worked for what I am getting, and no one needs to second guess me, or tell me I was ever overpaid. As a matter of fact, the PERS benefit was part of what led me to become part of law enforcement, especially when the LOW salary was presented to me in 1976. It's not my fault that the economy and state revenues went south. Ask the legislature why illegal aliens are "entitled" to revenues more than me and those like me who worked their lives to protect their butts!Â
 @jpk You are so right!Â
@jpk By the same token, I am also not at fault for the tanking economic conditions and govt mishandling of taxpayer money. But that doesn't mean I have to pay for "your" retirement at the expense of mine. I only make so much. I don't need more taxes to support you leaving me short. We all are on hard times, deal with it.
Kitzhaber doesn't care for people who work and pay into any retirement. By killing the Gillnet fleet he's made his buddies proud of him. But the Gillnet fleet will no longer help pay for any programs as he's eliminated any profits to be made thus no income for the state. aND NOW HE WANTS TO ELIMINATE RETIREMENT FOR THE PUBLIC EMPLOYEES, HE PROBABLY HAD HIS HAND IN IT SOMEWHERE.
Okay, let's look at "The man who would be King" Kitzhaber's issues. PERS: It is highly unlikely that the Legislature can legally alter the COLA as most believe it is a contractual obligation. As for the employers picking up the employees 6% contribution, most but not all do. That is a labor contract negotiating issue. Kitzhaber could take a hard stand and just say the State will not approve any new labor contracts that require the employer (State) to pay the employees portion of the retirement contribution. Instead he is taking the chicken way out by asking the legislature to provide varying levels of the employee "pickup." What is not stated is that the contracts will still have to be negotiated and unions rarely accept what they call "givebacks." Kitzhaber needs to grow a pair and simply say we cannot afford to do it anymore.
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Education: Public schools have been asking for more money for as long as I can remember, which is more than five decades.  Education is not simply a function of money. There is too much effort at catering to every "student" who doesn't want to conform. There are too many people willing to adopt the ADD, ADHD, ADWhatever excuse rather than look at the real problem; a lack of discipline. There are way too many breeders and far too few parents. A child's education is a least 50% the responsibility of the parent.  Schools have also become the defacto meal providers, babysitters, medical providers, and psychologists for students whose parents have not taught them how to behave, have not fed them, and do not provide adequate medical care. We need to hold parents accountable and responsible for their childrens' success. More money may be necessary but we have to quit enabling those that refuse to act like parents.
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Prisons: Oregon's cost of incarceration is 50% above the national average per inmate. The answer is not Kitzhaber's plan to stop incarcerating non-violent offenders. The answer is to figure out why our incarceration costs are so high and reduce them. More people need to experience true punishment for their crimes than sit in what is quickly becoming a taxpayer provided resort.
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Hmmm... a nice picture of Dr Kitz with his hands out.. what could be more typical..? Â Â :-)
@margay1 .....you nailed that one, Margay
I have a degree and experience in Journalism, but, I most likely couldn't get a job interview at KATU.COM if my life depended upon it.
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I would be more than happy to copyedit headlines because, seriously, I cannot think of any J school professor or editor I've ever had who would have allowed "but what will happen: ???" in a headline. 'Rules are rules, and without them we might as well be living in trees flinging crap at each other.' - Red Forman
@Playanekes ......"journalism" is dead. It was killed by universities and colleges that cranked out graduates that were convinced they could socially engineer society to affect change. Facts became meaningless. News was just something to be manipulated to an agenda.
@Playanekes All these "journalist" wannabes write like they text, have few if any journalistic ethics, cannot spell or use spell and grammar check functions, and are mostly looking for sensationalism rather than reporting. Unfortunately true journalism may be a lost profession.
 @Playanekes If I had started a sentence with, 'But' as an English major in the very early 70's I would have received an 'F.' You speak the truth!!
But did Dr. Rerun give up his PERS pension?
 @theobserver He gets it for life and it helped pay for his $4 million townhouse in Portlandia...
When I worked for him, I seem to remember Kitz saying something about how he valued public employees. Guess not.
 @Nobody He hates me along with one other guy that worked Traffic Homicide. He took the money for Jersey Barriers to spend on God only knows waht and when I called in a favor from ODOT, the money magically re-appeared in order to save lives. Do not trust Kitzgrabber in any way, shape or form...
So the state of Oregon doesn't want to honer contracts! Be careful what you do! It could very well come back to bite you in the butt!
 @Freedom1267 I wish I could pick and choose who my boss was so when it came to contract negotiations they would be on my side and give in to what ever demands I had.  That's the unfair advantage public employees have over private.  Their union will dump millions of dollars into the campaign fund of the person they want elected.  How does that person pay those folks back for getting them elected? They sign off on their demands in the next contract.  Sweet!
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This is why public employee unions are so corrupt. Nowhere else in the private sector does it work that way.  Reform PERS and structure it like a 401k.  The employees contribute their share and maybe, MAYBE the state matches up to a certain percentage of that contribution based upon economic conditions.  You want a pension?  Go to your union and ask for one.
 @Freedom1267 United Airlines screwed my dad out of his pension and Electric Lightwave wrecked my retirement. I don't trust any of that anymore. We're on our own.
@Playanekes @Freedom1267  I agree, I believe all companies should go to a defined contribution (like a 401k) as opposed to a defined benefit (pension). That way a company pays the employee as time goes on and if the company goes belly up, the employee is not screwed.
Kudos to Kitzhaber for having the nerve to even bring up PERS. But the stranglehold that big Unions have on liberal Democrats in Oregon will not allow any changes to their money machine. Want money for Education?, take it from PERS. Or better yet , let PERS follow California's example. File for bankruptcy.Â
[ In the photo above, Gov John Kitzhaber demonstrates one of the conditions of the PERS reforms he proposes, eating out of his hands. ]
"She said she hasn't seen all the numbers related to PERS reforms and is still looking at them."
That makes sense..? Â I can tell this "reform" is in capable hands. :P
It is just unfathonable to me that this self absorbed nitwit was re-elected. And for him to try and solve a problem that he helped create is beyond belief.
So John... I haven't heard mention of the pay for the Governor and Senate/House. Just were are YOUR salaries going? *cough*
No mention of the shortfall of billions of dollars in the PERS account.
 @RalphCramden I was thinking that.  They mention "$6.15 billion school budget" ... a quick look online puts the Oregon PERS deficit at more than double the school budget!
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Last report I heard what that PERS is down 31 billion.
@RalphCramden @Hellbilly That's about double the actual shortfall. You can get all the information about PERS on their website.
Hows that Union Democrat vote working for you know.....Join the rest of the real world and earn it by paying for it nd retire when the rest of us get too.
 @oops You do realize that many PERS earning workers are fire fighters right? They retire early because the have triple the rate of cancer, illness, depression and body injury than you do. But you go ahead and call 911 anyway when you need them, they'll still save you as you whine and complain.Â
 @momo  @oops But keep in mind that they chose that particular job. And every job has their benefits and drawbacks. In this case, since the drawbacks are quite high, one has to add to their own retirement and another skill in insure a better retirement for themselves. I for one have two other retirement plans besides the state plan to insure my retirement is much better than others that depend on just one source of income. But most people do not want to put any of their own money into a retirement plan.
"""""PERS reform will be debated, but what will happen: ???"""""
all depends on how many legislators the union money can buy off