Religious leaders among those pushing for same-sex marriage
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BEAVERTON, Ore. – Oregonians across the state got their first chance Thursday to sign a petition to put a gay marriage initiative on the 2014 ballot.
Gov. John Kitzhaber and former Gov. Barbara Roberts both signed the petition at an event at the Hotel Monaco in downtown Portland.
Kitzhaber said amending Oregon's Constitution isn't something that should be done lightly, but he said that the laws need to evolve to reflect the changing nature of the state.
"When we talk about marriage equity, to me, we are talking about that basic equality that we should demand for every single person in the state," he said.
"On this day we begin another historic step toward making Oregon more welcoming to loving couples and families," Roberts said.
Oregon United for Marriage, which established a committee with the secretary of state's office, set up events on Valentine's Day surrounding the petition drive and various religious leaders said they want people to know many faith communities support same-sex marriage.
"This issue is personal for me, because I've been out as bisexual for over 30 years," said Rabbi Debra Kolodny at an event in Beaverton.
Rabbis and reverends spoke about the years of marrying others and now what they're hoping for themselves in Oregon.
"When about 15 years ago, we went to see the Victorian lights before Christmas in North Portland – I took her hand, and I said, 'I want to marry you,'" said the Rev. Jeanne Knepper about her partner the Rev. Marcia Hauer.
Hauer and Knepper are both retired pastors and had a covenant service years ago and made a promise to each other: "Partners, companions, giggle mates, playmates and friends for life," they said in unison.
Since then, they've taken every opportunity available.
"As soon as Multnomah County did domestic partnerships, we signed up," said Knepper. "When Multnomah County did weddings, we got married. And then the state told us it was invalid. Then when the state said we could sign up for a domestic partnership, we did that, too."
Now one more step as they were among the first to sign the petition to put gay marriage on the 2014 Oregon ballot.
"I can't tell you the joy, the deep joy it would be to finally have who we are before the law and who we are in our faith and who we are in our commitment to each other be consistent," said Knepper.
"And not to be second class citizens," added Hauer.
Supporters need to turn in about 1,000 signatures initially and plan to do that early next week. Then they'll need to collect more than 116,000 signatures by next summer to qualify for the ballot.
The group, Protect Marriage Oregon, which opposes the Basic Rights Oregon campaign, released a statement Thursday afternoon.
It says, in part, "We have been anticipating this move for over a year. Much is still unknown about the ballot measures they are introducing, which have a long process ahead of them. Protect Marriage Oregon is committed to making sure Oregonians understand the unique distinctions of marriage between one man and one woman and the importance of protecting that definition."
Basic Rights Oregon said the timing wasn't quite right to push for same-sex marriage in 2011-2012, but it is now.
That's great. Good for them, politicians.
Now DO YOUR JOB AND FIX THE BUDGET.
Being legal may take the fun out many relationships
With gay marriage can gay divorce be far behind
@Bert An intellectual masterpiece you have there, Plato.
If you don't like Oregon's laws, Leave! There are plenty of warped states or countries out there that cater to your perversions to live in.
@Freedom1267 Negative, sir. I was born here. I will always vote for liberty over religious tyranny.
@Freedom1267 I find it extremely ironic that your screen name is freedom. Apparently you don't know the real definition of the word.
@Freedom1267 Actually after the fact of gay marriage victories in four states this last election,the landscape looks promising to overturn Oregon's gay marriage in 2014.There is a chance that the SCOTUS will rule prop 8 to be unconstitutional which will pave the way for gay marriage in all 50 states.So after the law is changed,I certainly don't think anyone will care if you move to a country that is governed by religous extremists.
@Freedom1267 There's also tons of countries run by religion: Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.  Besides, there's always *changing laws* if you don't like them.  Good luck getting rid of it, Oregon is far more liberal than conservative.
let them do it and see what happens. it will be an interesting social experiment topic for future history books to talk about...if there are any
@Phuzz Tomorrow's generation will look back at the absurdity of gay marriage bans and wonder what the big deal was?
I'm just not getting what the problem is here. So what if a gay couple wants to marry? How does that change my life? If two people can find happiness together, raising children, owning a home, buying food together and working...how does their getting married take anything away from me? And don't be spouting supposed statistics to me about how children are better for society if they were raised in a male/female parental unit...how about kids who had mothers (or fathers) never remarry after divorce (or death)...how about children tossed from one foster care family to another for the sake of 'convenience'...how about children who are abused by drunk or drug addicted parents? This shouldn't even be brought to a vote. It's a right that two people have, whether they're gay or straight.
@fracas but the bible...
Do you know that when sex-offenders are released from prison, they have to undergo evaluation for public safety and to establish their public risk level. In those tests, are hundreds of questions pertaining to sexual deviancy. If answered yes to these questions, that person will be deemed a sexual deviant and thus a preditor. Such as, Have you ever participated in sexual activity involving an inademant object, sodemy, or with someone of the same sex? Hmmmm
@boagyman Inademant? Â
Did you read that somewhere?
@boagyman Please provide a complete list of questions instead of cherry picking.Thank you.
What I can't figure out is why these 'defense of marriage' people don't spend time outlawing divorce instead of caring about who marries who. Seems they would should care about children having two moms AND two dads instead of two moms OR two dads.
@pdxfriend Because they don't really care about defending marriage.  Guess they ignore that whole "plank in thine own eye" thing...
Yes we are all "born this way".  Jesus knows this and if that was good  enough He would  have not come as a man to tell us that we must be born again  but would have stayed where He  now dwells.
It's all about gain. Â The politicians will tell people anything to get votes, even if it isn't true. Â Religious organizations will tell people anything to get them to give to the church. Â They need money to survive and don't care where it comes from, just like the democrats needing votes. Â They don't care where they come from as long as they get them.
That's a laugh.
Well that has to be the biggest contradiction I have seen in years. The world is surly going to hell in a handbag when this happens.Â
Disclaimerâ¦.. I am a to each their own type of person, but the Church has said for thousands of years that a marriage is between a man and woman, now they want to be PC. I need a beer.
@dkgiovenco"...the Church has said for thousands of years that a marriage is between a man and woman..." Â Â
The church isn't dumb. They know that in a same-sex marriage there can be no procreation. No procreation means no sheep.
No $heep = No 10% tithed to 'god'.@str1ngb3nd3r @dkgiovenco  Then what do you call a marriage between two straight people who are infertile?Â
"Then what do you call a marriage between two straight people who are infertile?"
Black Sheep?
@dkgiovenco Do atheist gays want church marriage?
@dkgiovenco That's funny, I'm an ordained minister and my church has no problem with it whatsoever.  Best part is, we've been saying that for probably 8000 years.
Don'tcha jus' hate it when the new kid on the block tries to change things?  Pretty sure the Christians didn't appreciate Islam coming along and changing it, but wait, isn't that what the Christians did to Judaism?
Yeah, that's pretty much how pagans felt about Judaism too. Â It was OK long before your church ever existed.
I will vote no just to be mean
@Bert well, good for you.
I need to mark this day on my calendar because it's the first time I think Kitz has been right. He took a break from running Oregon into the ground to speak up for justice.
As this country loses it ties with God and Jesus, I predict that we will have more severe storms , our crops will fail and drought will worsen. we will see stronger tornado, stronger hurricanes, and our food crops will be destroyed. After all Go against God and Nature, God and nature will fight back. But hey don't take my word for it..just watch it all unfold .
@lee986321 Holy hell they're right. KATRINA -WAS- GOD PUNISHING THE GAYS AND HOMOSEXHULS.
@lee986321 Lee, how can you pull that out of your hat ? The Bible clearly states if you don't work you don't eat, and there you sit collecting welfare and food stamps.. How can you judge anyone when society collectively is supporting your lazy butt.. Have you no shame ????
@lee986321Â God could just remove the genitalia of all the gays if he really wanted the practice to stop. Â Or make them straight, for that matter.
What's with the round-about hurrican/tornado/failed crops routine? Â God is SO stuck in stone age thinking about how to get his word across. Â Next thing you know we'll be building an ark for all the heterosexuals, 2 by 2...
@lee986321Wow, it never ceases to amaze me how brainwashed people are by religion. You keep telling yourself these lies if it makes you sleep better at night. I predict, as time progresses, people like you will die off and with it the hate and prejudice that you spew and people will be allowed to be themselves without bigoted ignoramuses like you trying to blame natural disasters on angry magic sky wizards .
@lee986321Â You attend the Westboro Baptist Church?
@lee986321 You just don't stop do you ? Why not spend this time finding a job.. God says if you don't work you don't eat.. why don't you live by that ? You like looking in others back yards, how does it feel when I look in yours ? Get a job so I don't have to support you !
@lee986321 If this is the case, and God is enacting storms to show vengence, why does God always pick trailer parks in Kansas, Alabama, Arkansas, etc to enact his wrath? Why not Las Vegas or San Francisco?
@pdxd  I was the registered owner of GodHatesKansas.com in 2007.
@pdxd Or Boston, that seething cesspit of sodomy :)
Surprised they don't call it Assachusetts.  But God seems to be content with Massachusetts and many of the other states that approved it.  Only his followers seem to have the problem.
@lee986321Â Hmmm. So nothing to do with global warming? I'm pretty happy that our country is losing ties with God and Jesus (if it ever had them anyway since we're not a religious-based government last time I checked the Constitution). Those guys you believe in sound like pretty unstable and unfriendly, the kind you want to steer clear of. Apparently they don't get upset by humans oppressing other humans, causing wars, mass starvation, robbing, killing, greed and exploitation, which are as bad now as ever. But look out! Two guys fall in love and want to get married and they go off half-cocked killing everyone in sight, innocent and guilty. Scary dudes! Again, super glad our country's wise leaders chose not to tie our affairs to belief in them!
@NWGuy Lee's God is bi-polar, and won't take his medication, because he thinks big government will then read his mind.
@brendan @pdxd and maybe one of those tornadoes will blow lee away :)
@pdxd I do have to call BS on that in one small way -- he's not worried about the government reading his mind; we all know what he thinks about something, roflmao --that's the problem. Reminds me of shrek
"A talking donkey???"
"Yeah, getting him to shut up is the problem."
Perverting the right way of the Lord! This land was blessed as long as it followed the statutes of the Lord, but God Himself said it would become cursed if the people chose evil and the whims of the flesh, forgetting God and chosing evil over good. That day has come and we see everyday the degradation and disintegration of this once great nation. Wise men formed it based on strong Chritian background principles; today's re a tards are destroying it. When a nation loses the blessings of the Lord, wo wo wo unto that nation because it it left unto itself and weak. We will now rue the consequences of the Lord's justice as disease, pestilence, more crime, murders, and foreign problems infiltrate and pull us down. The disease within has become an incurable cancer that can only be purged if the people will once again embrace the right way of the Lord.
@None Hate to tell you, there have been men phucking men since day one in this country.  Pretty sure there's no causation.  None that you could ever prove, that's for certain.
@None There are 613 statutes of the Lord in the scriptures on which you rely. How come it's only the one that you imagine prohibits gays from marrying that sets God to cursing us? Why doesn't the Lord get upset about people eating shellfish or pork, blending fibers, marrying non-Jews, etc.? Why do you get to pick and choose which laws God cares about? And doesn't it scare you that ANYONE in this country would have the right to decide for you? I like our country the way it is, thank you very much. Keep your religious views to yourself and stop trying to force them on others. Can't think of anything more unAmerican.
@None hmm need to remove "re a tard"..as it makes no seance nor does it add anything of value. then I might like.
@lee986321Â @None You're flatulating again.Â
@None "We will now rue the consequences of the Lord's justice as disease, pestilence, more crime, murders, and foreign problems..."
Good point! But don't forget, He's already punishing us with a Plague of Fundamentalists. The Egyptians didn't even have it that bad...
@Max Quinn @None hmm eh yeah they did, have you ever tried to drink bloody looking water? I mean really seriously , I much rather put up with Fundamentalism then blood in water or water turning to blood killing off everything in sight. Not to mention Egypt losing thousands of soldiers when they thought that they could make it a cross the Red Sea. Talk about epic fail.
@NoneÂ
Yeah, yeah. Â Go back to your closet and flagellate yourself.
@Diogenes @None eh, you want him to fart? ok ??? that is the best insult you could come up with? well.. that sure sucked on your part...that was niether an insult, in sort..DUDE IT WAS a FAIL!
@lee986321@Diogenes@NoneLee. Stop doing this to yourself.
1. To whip or flog; scourge.2. To punish or impel as if by whipping.http://www.thefreedictionary.com/flagellateÂ
The word you're trying to use is flatulate.
Dude YOU fail!
@lee986321 @Diogenes @None Lee, you only continue to show your ignorance.Â
FlagellateÂ
1: %s, %s 2: to drive or punish as if by whipping
Flatulent
1: Likely to cause gas 2:pompously or portentously overblown
You've proven yourself as the typical hateful christian. Spewing garbage about your "lord" but you haven't read a word of your holy book or you would know what that word is. Like I said, you're an ignoramus and you should close your mouth before you prove it any further.Â