Senate approves immigrant tuition bill, Kitzhaber says he'll sign it

SALEM, Ore. (AP) — The Oregon Senate voted Thursday to allow some young illegal immigrants to pay resident college tuition if they were brought to the United States as children, sending the measure to Gov. John Kitzhaber who has promised to sign it.
The Senate's approval in a 19-11 vote comes 10 years after the measure was first proposed. Immigrant-rights advocates erupted in cheers the moment the bill passed, their applause echoing through the Capitol as they congratulated each other, hugged lawmakers and posed for photos.
"I can't believe it finally happened," said Karla Castaneda, a junior at Parkrose High School in Portland whose family immigrated illegally when she was 4. "Hope is with me. I know I will be able to go to college."
Critics said the state shouldn't be subsidizing a college education for people who violated the law and won't be able to work in the United States.
"Some of these folks who believe in the Constitution and believe in the rule of law need to be represented today," said Sen. Tim Knopp, a Bend Republican who voted against the measure.
At least 14 other states allow illegal immigrants to pay in-state college tuition. Colorado's Legislature approved a similar bill this month, and Gov. John Hickenlooper has said he'll sign it.
Illegal immigrants in Oregon pay college tuition at the rate charged to nonresident students, which is about $20,000 more than the cost for Oregon residents.
Starting next school year, the measure would allow students to qualify for in-state tuition if they've attended an Oregon high school for at least three years and lived in the United States for at least five. They'd also have to sign an affidavit swearing they'll apply to legalize their immigration status as soon as they are eligible.
Illegal immigrants can't legally work in the United States, but proponents say President Barack Obama's push for a federal immigration overhaul could create a pathway to citizenship for many. They say children have no control over the decision to immigrate without legal documents.
"It is just plain wrong to hold hostage the future of kids and young adults because of choices their parents have made," said Sen. Chris Edwards, D-Eugene.
The nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Office estimated that the bill would increase the state's revenue by $335,000 over the next two years and by an additional $1.6 million between 2015 and 2017. The Oregon University System estimated that 38 illegal immigrant students would take advantage of the resident tuition rates during the next two years and 80 more students would take part in the two years after that.
Sen. Doug Whitsett, R-Klamath Falls, said he was skeptical of the numbers and expected many more illegal immigrants to enroll.
"Many of the people that we represent have a lot of angst about this bill," Whitsett said. "Many are angry about what they perceive to be the inequity represented by the concept of this bill."
Illegal immigrants would not be eligible for state or federal financial aid, and they'd be subject to the same university entrance requirements as other applicants.
"They're not asking for guarantees. They're not asking for commitments. They simply want a chance," said Senate President Peter Courtney, D-Salem, who first proposed the measure in 2003.
It is obvious that the state of Oregon is not short on money if they can extend these benefits aiding and abetting illegal immigrants! What part of illegal do they not understand?
@Freedom1267
Probably the same part you don't understand between someone who's entered the country illegally (*exceptionally* rare for children, which is who this benefits - and an exceptionally small pool of people) and an undocumented alien.
But, don't let that interfere with your xenophobic rant.  Carry on.
@brendanPerhaps we can have liberal white guilt pay for it all.
@Mr. Carbon Footprint @brendan Dunno, you'd have to ask a white liberal, I guess.
News flash, Hillary Rodham Clinton comes out for in-state tuition for crimigrants.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfbrLGwwZOM
Damn!!! What's it take to become illegal if your a citizen. So if I become illegal Taxhaber will pay for all my stuff and I will not have to work anymore!!!!!!!! Cool.
That's it, give the mexicans more incentives to enter the country illegally. We already give them jobs, driver licenses, food stamps, food banks, bank accounts, free health care at the ER, free public schooling for their kids, we have to print all the school books and materials in english and spanish and hire spanish speaking teachers, and now in-state tuition. Illegal aliens get all this for free because they don't pay taxes- Oregon citizens pay for all this. We keep paying more and more because the illegal aliens bring their gangs here, their illegal drug trafficking, human trafficking, marijuana growsites and turn our communities into Tijuana. Kitzhaber does not care about Oregon, Oregonians, the Oregon Constitution, the US Constitution or following the law. In a few years when Oregon is 80% Hispanic, we can look back and thank Kitzhaber for trashing Oregon and turning it into a third-world cesspool.Â
You can't blame parents for their choices to be illegal or criminals.
@tally ----Whaaaat? Sure we can.
On the bright side thanks to the quinceanera, the age of consent will be lowered to 15
I was talking with a DMV clerk. Â She says they won't give them the raise they promised them unless they can instead take it out of their retirement.
So, not enough DMV workers as a voting block, but the families of illegal aliens so give them OUR TAX MONEY.  The world is upside down.  When will you people vote them out of office?  When?  Go ahead and pay for the poor people who merely walked across the border.
@ussyorktown That is right. The democrats know how to win elections. Buy the votes. No proof of citizenship to vote.
@ussyorktown If nothing else, it sounds like the clerk is very happy she has a union to negotiate that with her employer.
This is so wrong pandering to the illegals. Illegal is illegal and is against the law no matter what the age.
simple solution: have more babies
1916 Denmark sold to the US for 25 million in gold the Danish West Indies. Are the Danish people parasites or illegally entering the US? NO.
The Louisiana Purchase in 1803 France sold an area which encompassed many of todays states for 15 million. Are the French parasites or illegally enter the US in large numbers....NO
Sewards Folly aka Alaska purchased from Russia for 7.2 million in 1867. Are the Russians parasites or illegally entering  the US in large numbers.....NO
Guadelupe-Hidalgo 1846-1848 US paid mexico 15 million and the border established. Yet of the 4 purchases the only people that are parasites upon our country are mexicans. Guess mexicans are the only nationality that does not respect a treaty or sale and are basicly criminals!
@undefined I see. Being 'illegal' is beside the point. It's Mexicans you don't like. Besides, your history lesson misses that war we had with Mexico - the one where we confiscated the northern half of the country. I don't think the Danes, French, or Russians ever experienced that.
mexican American war is what you are referring to. General Winfield Scott is the US General that entered mexico and took over, kinda like we did with Germay, Italy, Japan.
 Santa Ana fled to europe and was banned from mexico until he was on deaths door and allowed to return to die........yes the same Santa Ana that led mexican forces against The Alamo.
The US paid mexico 15 million we did not confiscate the north half, read the treaty dummy. mexicans disrespect the US and the borders their leaders agreed to, thus illegal is the issue.
maxipad
"lot of land won in a war"Â Â Â I did not know there was a limit to the amount of land that could be "won" in a war.
In the War of 1812, yes you know the forgotten war......Detroit was actually part of Canada. I don't recall Canadians crying about the loss of Detroit or sneaking across the Ambassador to be in the US. How about other unprotected border locations between the US and Canada
Oh thats right Canadians have morals and a respect for the border which mexicans do not.
Change your pad!
@undefined Here's a map of what Mexico used to be: %s:File-Mexico_1835-1846_administrative_map-en-2.svgHalf, two-fifths, third? It's a lot of land won in a war that was considered a war of aggression by many Americans at the time.
Freeride - I'm having trouble reconciling your claims that you do detailed research vs. you know what you know and that's all that matters.
Anyway, I'm going to cry myself to sleep over being called a maxipad twice. I'll leave you to duel with yourself.
@FreerideNOTÂ You could have saved us a lot of time if you came to that conclusion 45 minutes ago. I don't have a problem with the victor taking spoils, but don't treat it like it's anything else.
jt
Darn guess we did not pay mexico 15 million, darn both governments lied. Did we occupy Germany and Japan? Do we still maintain a strong military presence in these countries? Do you know that as a result of WWII there is no large military air force in either Japan or Germany? To the victor go the spoils and they set the terms.
Again to the victor go the spoils
@FreerideNOTÂ Fair enough, I don't trust .gov websites either. Let's just say that the experts I trust say it was 55% of the territory. If you want to stick with the illegals BAD mantra great, but don't delve into peace treaties while making inaccurate statements like "The US paid mexico 15 million we did not confiscate the north half". Troops were in Mexico, it was confiscation, isn't that the same thing you would say if illegals caputred Salem and laws favorable to them were passed?
jt
Did I ever mention 55%? No I did not sharpen your reading comprehension skills.
jt
Sorry I never ever click on a link, I know what I know and that is all that matters to me.  The bottom line is that illegals are criminal parasites that deserve NOTHING from the US/Oregon taxpayer except for deportation.
@FreerideNOTÂ I did a bit of research, http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=26
55% right there. Maybe you should spend less time reading old treaties and more time working on your math skills. 55% is greater than half, and it was to the north.
maxipad
I feel like I am dueling with an unarmed man, thus I do not want to take undo advantage of your limited abilities.
ohhh maxipad
I read history etc. every day and do significant research in a rather detailed manner, in fact I would suspect that some of you are even clients of the firm I work for,Â
Did I ever mention a war of liberation maxipad?
@FreerideNOT Learn the history of the war numbskull. If you think it was a war of liberation, you are wrong.
tj
Do a bit more research, I have spent a few years reading treaties and issues that brought them about. You are not bright enough to glean all of the important facts in a five minute scan on the net. Look behind for supporting facts.
Ever read the various documents surrounding the end of the US Civil War, the facts vs the fiction or how about the multitude of documents involving Guadelupe-Hidalgo
@FreerideNOTÂ Nice spin, we won the war and held their capital, it was a peace treaty where we agreed to pay for some land that we confiscated. It did consist of 55% of their pre-Texas terriroty, not sure where Max got "the northern half". That's some Mexican math there or something.
@FreerideNOTÂ Yeah that's probably the weakest argument I've seen put forth on this topic. Nice work though on getting all that data together.
tj
Just goes to show that the mexicans by in large have no morals, sense of right and wrong, looking for a freeride.  mexicans are low lifes when they disrespect our laws etc.  The US has been at war with mexico since 1832 and before, during WWI and II where were the mexicans? The Canadians were right next to us, during the entire war , the mexicans were cowering in their huts.
We owe illegals NOTHING!!!!!!!
@ussyorktown ???  Link?
@Sundowner @FreerideNOT Don't forget the Zimmerman Telegragms where the Mexicans and the Germans were working together for Mexico to reclaim its "LOST TERRITORIES" of Califrornia, Arizona, New Mescico.  Mexico is a nation of leeches and our statesmen have betrayed us but again.
sun
There is a VERY BIG difference between legal and ILLEGAL. mexicans for the most part that enter the US do it illegally. I have no compassion or good feelings for anyone that enters the US illegally regardless of their story.......Bottom line do it legally or don't do it!
@FreerideNOTÂ The Canadians weren't standing next to us, they were standing next to the British. Where were we? Well we certainly didn't stand by them (until later). They can't really say the same about us yanks now can the?
Crap
I am referring to the mexicans who were still in mexico, just as the Canadians in Canada. mexicans were cowards in the wars, the Canadians stood next to us.
@FreerideNOTÂ So they were cowards for following their own constitution which strictly prohibits their military from leaving their border? Â When our countrymen disobey the constitution, especially those in the military, they can get executed for treason. Â You'd really be better off just saying "I hate anyone who has any ties to Mexico" and be done with it. Â Trying to justify your hatred just isn't working. Â Personally, I admire anyone with the balls to say how they really feel. Â I may not respect their opinions, but at least they put it all out there so everyone else knows what's in their heart. Â The Klan was always like that -- hiding behind the sheets so no one would know who they were as the spread their murderous venom. Â Not comparing you to them, just sayin'.
@FreerideNOTÂ Is that supposed to be some kind of dig at me? Â That I'm from Mexico? Â I said earlier my ancestors arrived in the US in the late 1600s...from Wales, Scotland, Ireland and somebody from Belgium or the likes. Â But I wouldn't care one way or the other -- I'm quite happy being me.
sun
glad you know your home country's constitution. I still contend that during WWI and II mexico was the country of cowards.
bre
undocumented is ILLEGAL, we both know this is the PC la raza way to make the legal American less hostile towards illegals aka criminals.
Read up it is not like a parking ticket to illegally enter the US.
Ever wonder why Canadians seldom enter the US illegally? They ban mexicans wihout a visa issued by the consulate in mexico city, they track all farm workers who are not allowed to follow the crops. They actually deport undesireables aka anyone in Canada illegally. I spent 5 years in Canada and graduated from university there and know the nationalistic feelings Canadians have about Canada and do not want Americans and least of all muslins and mexicans coming for a freeride.....Common comments ...look at how big a mess the States have with mexicans
Ever been deported for a parking ticket?
sun
Cowards one and all!!!!!
@FreerideNOT OK, so just to be clear, it's not about the undocumented aliens, just the illegal ones (specific lists of things that can make it illegal for you to enter, of which the biggest example is a convicted felon or a carrier of a communicable disease).  The undocumented aliens are civil infractors - i.e., like someone getting a parking ticket.  By definition, civil offense are not crimes per se, and the persons violating them are not criminals.  One is not a criminal for failing to pay a meter.
@FreerideNOTÂ Under Mexico's constitution, their military cannot leave their borders except for humanitarian reasons. Â
jt
Its the illegals, read my posts its all about mexicans that disrespect our laws, demand a freeride, demand that we speak their language.
I hate criminals and that includes ALL criminals.......I have never been arrested, have no criminal history and have not entered mexico demanding they speak english or demand a freeride.
@FreerideNOTÂ Just to clarify, it's not the illegals, it's actually the Mexicans?
Oregon is becoming almost as stupid as California!!
@Liberty4_WAÂ I came to Oregon to flee California. 32 years ago I was hated as a immigrant. I knocked up a native and thus became an anchor daddy
@tally To quote Sherry L. Campbell from below: "go home, we don't want you here. "
@Sundowner I married a Californian, that's all the niceness that they are going to get. Tree has fun around here, I think he has been many many others. Like I told him on day one, I like the cut of his jib.
@JTesla @tally Be kinda sorta nice -- he's new here...made the switch from the "other" place.  And I don't care what anyone says, 'Sherry' is Tree.