Senate approves Oregon immigrant tuition bill
SALEM, Ore. (AP) — The Oregon Senate voted Thursday to allow some young illegal immigrants to pay resident college tuition if they were brought to the United States as children, sending the measure to Gov. John Kitzhaber who has promised to sign it.
The Senate's approval in a 19-11 vote comes 10 years after the measure was first proposed. Immigrant-rights advocates erupted in cheers the moment the bill passed, their applause echoing through the Capitol as they congratulated each other, hugged lawmakers and posed for photos.
"I can't believe it finally happened," said Karla Castaneda, a junior at Parkrose High School in Portland whose family immigrated illegally when she was 4. "Hope is with me. I know I will be able to go to college."
Critics said the state shouldn't be subsidizing a college education for people who violated the law and won't be able to work in the United States.
"Some of these folks who believe in the Constitution and believe in the rule of law need to be represented today," said Sen. Tim Knopp, a Bend Republican who voted against the measure.
At least 14 other states allow illegal immigrants to pay in-state college tuition. Colorado's Legislature approved a similar bill this month, and Gov. John Hickenlooper has said he'll sign it.
Illegal immigrants in Oregon pay college tuition at the rate charged to nonresident students, which is about $20,000 more than the cost for Oregon residents.
Starting next school year, the measure would allow students to qualify for in-state tuition if they've attended an Oregon high school for at least three years and lived in the United States for at least five. They'd also have to sign an affidavit swearing they'll apply to legalize their immigration status as soon as they are eligible.
Illegal immigrants can't legally work in the United States, but proponents say President Barack Obama's push for a federal immigration overhaul could create a pathway to citizenship for many. They say children have no control over the decision to immigrate without legal documents.
"It is just plain wrong to hold hostage the future of kids and young adults because of choices their parents have made," said Sen. Chris Edwards, D-Eugene.
The nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Office estimated that the bill would increase the state's revenue by $335,000 over the next two years and by an additional $1.6 million between 2015 and 2017. The Oregon University System estimated that 38 illegal immigrant students would take advantage of the resident tuition rates during the next two years and 80 more students would take part in the two years after that.
Sen. Doug Whitsett, R-Klamath Falls, said he was skeptical of the numbers and expected many more illegal immigrants to enroll.
"Many of the people that we represent have a lot of angst about this bill," Whitsett said. "Many are angry about what they perceive to be the inequity represented by the concept of this bill."
Illegal immigrants would not be eligible for state or federal financial aid, and they'd be subject to the same university entrance requirements as other applicants.
"They're not asking for guarantees. They're not asking for commitments. They simply want a chance," said Senate President Peter Courtney, D-Salem, who first proposed the measure in 2003.
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Anyone ever wonder what happened to the fine mexican illegal students in Woodburn that set fire to the high school? Oh perhaps they are also looking for a freeride to one of our universities but hey lets reward criminals and their parents.
On second thought lets deport them and their parents!!!
Sun
Your post 12 hrs. ago stated that you were going to sit this one out. What happended did la raza call you and offer you more peso's for all of these posts?
He is the way to solve this entire problem, turn off any and all public assistance in any form whatsoever to anyone that cannot prove that they are in the US legally. NOTE the key word here is legally. If they are here illegally as with these 38 students that will soon mushroom to hundreds of thousand they should be rounded up with their parents and any illegal siblings and deported back to their home country.
Should they be found in the US illegally a second time the penalty should be execution, thus one freeride the second one is costly. This trash knows they are not to be in the US without proper immigration documents but figure oh well I will get a freeride as long as I can......well the freeride is over, wanna come back for round two?
@FreerideNOTÂ Your answer to someone being caught for being here illegally is execution??? Â That's the stupidest, most lame, most unintelligent comment I've ever read here. Â When you said "This trash knows...", I assume you were talking about yourself. Â
buying the Hispanic vote. Democrats know how to win
"The Oregon Senate voted Thursday to allow some young illegal immigrants to pay resident college tuition if they were brought to the United States as children . . . "
Ugh. I was going to go on a rampage about proving they were brought here as children and they wouldn't have proof because they're undocumented but as I was typing I thought about school records . . .
@theprodigal They still couldn't get a valid job without a valid SSN. So it's back to wherever with a cheapish/non-third-world education, courtesy of liberal Uncle Sam.
@TimBurr @theprodigal The same one you suck off of?, early retirement so you could max your pers, alway spouting about others in racist tone, your the "pR" guy? not, as a you fold up your recliner in front of fox news, your such a fraud, but then some of us served, and you well, hid.
@TimBurr @theprodigal They will find someway to get around that obstacle, I'm sure. But you are right. We, the taxpayers, are paying for a criminal illegal immigrants education that they can never use in this country. But the truly deserving legal residents of this state striving for a better education, are basically told to go get f***** by the state.
The state of Oregon must not be hurting for money if they can afford to give these benefits to illegal foreigners!
We can all look forward to a reduction in our taxes now that the state of Oregon has openly declared that they have money to waste!
@Freedom1267 From the article: "The nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Office estimated that the bill would increase the state's revenue by $335,000 over the next two years and by an additional $1.6 million between 2015 and 2017"
@JTesla But how much did they suck from the system between K-12? Not a bargain.
If their parents came here illegally from mexico or russia how else do you expect their childen to adress them? In english or the parents native tongue? You must be a democrat to be this naieve.Â
@TimBurr @hokeywolf You suck more than you earned, and continue to milk it, you are total fraud, white trash, that's why you hate latins so? the twins used to tease you so? your so lame
@TimBurr @JTesla You suck the system, what a fraud!
@hokeywolf @Pissed0ffPirate Democracy is in the majority of the populace, not the majority of crooked bastards that have been elected and ignore what their constituency want done.
@hokeywolf @Pissed0ffPirate They do become responsible, thus a criminal as well. Unless they were born on US soil and have not started the path to naturalization, they are breaking the law, just like their parents did... how nice to be a second generation criminal.
Sun
Lets just deport the whole family that are here illegally. If there are anchors then the choice is the parents take it with you or it will be put up for adoption.....The garbage knew this day was coming but in 18 yrs. never took steps to make things legal because mexicans have no conception of what is legal or illegal or for that matter what is moral or immoral.
Sun...does la raza pay you well?
Pissedoff
Good to see you here... I too would strongly support ALL illegals being returned to their home country in one form or another. If they leave on their own then they cannot apply for a visa for ten years from date of removal, if they are deported under option two then returning is not going to happen.
Illegal is criminal and it is time the govt. recognise a criminal when they see one. I would round up the "38" their parents and siblings then have a return flight to their homeland....no landings no parachutes.
@Pissed0ffPirate @hokeywolf You know that is an interesting question. These children have not entered the country illegally. What laws have they broken? Yes they were brought here illegally but being minors hey are not responcible.Â
@Pissed0ffPirate @hokeywolf I guess we will just have to disagree. My tax money educated these kids and I want something back. So I guess it's a good thing that more people think like myself.
Isn't democracy wonderful?
@Pissed0ffPirate @hokeywolf What a great notion.  Here we have 38 fresh-out-of-high-school kids who've done well in school, speak fluent English, their parents have done nothing but support and encourage them in their schooling to ensure they meet all the entrance requirements, have kept themselves out of juvie and desire a good education.  So the minute they turn 18, let's turn them into auto-criminals because of something they had no say in.  Just doesn't make sense to me.
@hokeywolf Perhaps their criminal parents should have had a backup plan and taught them their native tongue. Oh and don't forget that once they are old enough they are criminals themselves. While they are young, they are not considered capable of telling right form wrong.
@hokeywolf This registered Democrat wants ALL illegals back in their countries of origin until they enter legally. Heck once they are legal, I will even help with the test.
@TimBurr @hokeywolf If it was simple to fix it would be done by now. And this is a step to fix the problem. It helps all people. It promotes the children that have grown up in our communities and hopefully will turn them into productive citizens who will be able to pay taxes.
@hokeywolf Perhaps enforcing existing laws would solve the problems all together. To simple.
@TimBurr @hokeywolf These are children that grew up here. Many don't speak any other language but english. They're every bit as American as you or I. We have invested in there future, it makes no sence to throw that investment away. If Republicans wish to stop wasting money then this is a good place to start.
@hokeywolfThey would die or move out of country before the debt evened out.
 http://www.cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011
And announcing that you are legalizing them would only cause a stampede of illegal freeloaders.
@TimBurr @JTesla Well if that has already been paid for then make them a citizen so we can get a return on the investment.
Deporting them is just throwing the money invested away.
It is a crime to aid an illegal!!!! Why is it that the State hasn't figured that out? Why do we keep rewarding the criminals?
I don't care about any money if they are illegal they should get no help, but sent back from where they came from. Get a clue people, we need stop helping illegals , when in fact we don't even help Americans the way we should.
Just what we need...... more laws that encourage illegal behavior
@kramr What laws do we have now that encourage illegal behavior?  Oh, and you don't have to post my comment into yours, I'm able to remember my comment, especially if it's right above your response.  =)
@Sundowner @kramr State or Fed level?
@Sundowner @TreeWizard Your yes wasn't all that helpful.Â
@TreeWizard You're gonna have to step it up a notch.  I do word fights with professionals (I let him win) and I'm at the semi-pro level.
@Sundowner @TreeWizard No.
@TreeWizard Yes.
""""""Senate approves Oregon immigrant tuition bill"""""
A truthful headline would read
Senate approves Oregon  Illegal Alien tuition bill
or my favorite.
Senate approves Oregon Democrat purchasing of votes bill
@kramr Democrats don't need to buy votes. They just pick up the votes that republicans push away.
@kramr However they want to word it, I'm in favor.
So does the state gain money somehow from this? Is there a financial upside?
@randola  """"""So does the state gain money somehow from this? Is there a financial upside?"""""""
The left is hoping  this action will turn into life long votes from these illegals
Illegal Aliens = Â undocumented democrats.....Â
@kramr @randola Makes no sense.  We are clearly already a blue state.
@Sendero I live outside the valley -- I like things exactly the way they are because my side keeps winning.  =))
Its just too bad that we dont vote by country as in 2 votes per county regardless of population. Or better yet, the Willamette Valley should secede from the rest of Oregon. I know that everyone that lives outside of the valley would be all for it.
@Fake Pilot @TreeWizard Yeah the Repubs did 2% better. They are making a comeback in Oregon. Like I said not as blue as you think.
@TreeWizard @Fake Pilot 2012 presidential race.....Obama:  54%   Romney 42%.  Hope that clarifies things.
@Fake Pilot @TreeWizard Back tracking are we. I got you, you snake in the grass.
@Fake Pilot @TreeWizard You mean slowly it is turning more red.
@TreeWizard @Fake Pilot How do you know how blue I think Oregon is?  You really are difficult to understand sometimes (always).
@TreeWizard I said governorship in the last 20+ years.
@Fake Pilot @TreeWizard Yeah, because that is what you were talking about. I was being nice and going along with you. So rude.
@Fake Pilot I know, but the percent difference isn't that big. So I am right Oregon isn't as blue as you think. wham bam thank you ma'am.
@TreeWizard You said you go by presidential voting then cite statistics for a single governor's race?
@TreeWizard @Fake Pilot @kramr @randola Oregon hasn't voted for a republican president since 1984, 29 years ago.
%s
@Fake Pilot @TreeWizard @kramr @randola You mean Kit's 49%% to Dud's 47%%? Doesn't seem all that blue to me.
@Fake Pilot @TreeWizard @kramr @randola I go by presidential voting.
@TreeWizard @Fake Pilot @kramr @randola Paid attention to the governorship the last 20+ years?
@TreeWizard @Fake Pilot @kramr @randola Blue enough to win the elections that count.
@Fake Pilot @kramr @randola Not as blue as you think.
@randola No. Give it 10 years and there will be a financial downside.
@TreeWizard @randola Deal.  We'll try it for 10 years.
@TreeWizard @Fake Pilot @randola They may review it, but I doubt they will overturn it.  I guess we'll see.
@Fake Pilot @TreeWizard @randola Supreme Court will over turn this racist legislation.
@randola Social upside I believe.
@Fake Pilot @randola According to the article, "The nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Office estimated that the bill would increase the state's revenue by $335,000 over the next two years and by an additional $1.6 million between 2015 and 2017."  I don't see how anyone could look at this as anything other than a win/win.  The State increases revenues, some deserving kids get a good education.
@Sundowner @TreeWizard lol. financial aid
@TreeWizard Now you're making me nervous.  A "finical" sounds like an instrument a proctologist would use. Â
@Sundowner @Fake Pilot @randola Doubt that. Just wait till they pass in state finical aid to illegals, and yes they will.
@Fake Pilot @randola Social upside my furry rabbit nuts
@Sundowner @Fake Pilot Okay, now you guys need a room.
@Fake Pilot Did I make you blush?  (she asked as she did a little in-chair happy dance)   I've got better stuff....meet me on Facebook?Â
@Sundowner @TreeWizard @Fake Pilot *blush*
@Sundowner @TreeWizard @Fake Pilot Ewwwww.
@TreeWizard  @Fake Pilot  No, my fantasies only include him.  =)
@Sundowner @Fake Pilot @TreeWizard Oh, you'd like that wouldn't you. You'd love to see Tree and Fake go at it like a couple of Wild Hogs. Your fantasies are gross.
@Fake Pilot @TreeWizard I can believe I'm actually gonna say this:  Get a room?
@TreeWizard @Fake Pilot @randola I use sandpaper.
@Fake Pilot @TreeWizard @randola Hint back at you. I use aloe vera for soft nut skin.
@TreeWizard @Fake Pilot @randola Here's a hint, they are freshly shaved.
@Fake Pilot @TreeWizard @randola You can. I will talk about mine.
@TreeWizard @Fake Pilot @randola Would you prefer talking about my big nuts?
@Fake Pilot @TreeWizard @randola I can discuss them because they are mine. You talking about them is just weird.
@TreeWizard @Fake Pilot @randola Don't bring it up if you don't want to discuss it.
@Fake Pilot @TreeWizard @randola Gross don't talk about my nuts.
@TreeWizard @Fake Pilot @randola Sorry to hear you have rabbit sized nuts. Â