Senators fear that country may go over 'fiscal cliff'

WASHINGTON (AP) - Senators bickered Sunday over who's to blame for lurching the country toward a year-end "fiscal cliff," bemoaning the lack of a deal days before the deadline but bridging no differences in the debate.
With the collapse Thursday of House Speaker John Boehner's plan to allow tax rates to rise on million-dollar-plus incomes, Sen. Joe Lieberman said "it's the first time that I feel it's more likely we'll go over the cliff than not," meaning that higher taxes for most Americans and painful federal agency budget cuts would be in line to go ahead.
"If we allow that to happen it will be the most colossal consequential act of congressional irresponsibility in a long time, maybe ever in American history because of the impact it'll have on almost every American," said Lieberman, a Connecticut independent.
Wyoming Sen. Jon Barrasso, a member of the GOP leadership, predicted that the new year would come without an agreement, and he faulted the White House.
"I believe the president is eager to go over the cliff for political purposes. He senses a victory at the bottom of the cliff," he said.
Democratic Sen. Kent Conrad of North Dakota, chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, was incredulous at Barrasso's assertion that 'there is only one person that can provide the leadership" on such a matter vital to the nation's interests.
"There are 535 of us that can provide leadership. There are 435 in the House, 100 in the Senate and there is the president, all of us have a responsibility here," he said. "And, you know what is happening? What is happening is the same old tired blame game. He said/she said. I think the American people are tired of it. What they want to hear is what is the solution?"
No solution seemed any nearer, with Obama and Congress on a short holiday break. Congress is expected to be back at work Thursday and Obama in the White House after a few days in Hawaii.
"It is time to get back to the table," said Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., "And I hope if anyone sees these representatives from the House in line shopping or getting their Christmas turkey, they wish them a merry Christmas, they're civil, and then say go back to the table, not your own table, the table in Washington."
Obama already has scaled back his ambitions for a sweeping budget bargain. Before leaving the capital on Friday, he called for a limited measure that extend George W. Bush-era tax cuts for most people and stave off federal spending cuts. The president also urged Congress to extend jobless benefits for the long-term unemployed that would otherwise be cut off for 2 million people at the end of the year.
"The truth of the matter is, if we do fall off the cliff after the president is inaugurated, he'll come back, propose just what he proposed ... in leaving Washington and we'll end up adopting it, but why should we put the markets in such turmoil and the people misunderstanding or lack of confidence," said Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Ga. "Why not go ahead and act now?
Obama's announcement late Friday suggested that a smaller deal may rest in the Senate, given the failure of Boehner's option in the House.
"The ball is now clearly with the Senate," said Lieberman.
He said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and GOP leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky "have the ability to put this together again and pass something. It won't be a big, grand bargain to take care of the total debt, but they can do some things that will avoid the worst consequences going over the fiscal cliff."
It was only a week ago when news emerged that Obama and Boehner had significantly narrowed their differences. Both were offering a cut in taxes for most Americans, an increase for a relative few and cuts of roughly $1 trillion in spending over a year. Also included was a scaling back of future cost-of-living increases for Social Security recipients - a concession on the president's part as much as agreeing to higher tax rates was for the speaker.
Lieberman was on CNN's "State of the Union," while Barrasso and Conrad appeared on "Fox News Sunday." Klobuchar and Isakson were on "Fox News Sunday."
With the collapse Thursday of House Speaker John Boehner's plan to allow tax rates to rise on million-dollar-plus incomes, Sen. Joe Lieberman said "it's the first time that I feel it's more likely we'll go over the cliff than not," meaning that higher taxes for most Americans and painful federal agency budget cuts would be in line to go ahead.
"If we allow that to happen it will be the most colossal consequential act of congressional irresponsibility in a long time, maybe ever in American history because of the impact it'll have on almost every American," said Lieberman, a Connecticut independent.
Wyoming Sen. Jon Barrasso, a member of the GOP leadership, predicted that the new year would come without an agreement, and he faulted the White House.
"I believe the president is eager to go over the cliff for political purposes. He senses a victory at the bottom of the cliff," he said.
Democratic Sen. Kent Conrad of North Dakota, chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, was incredulous at Barrasso's assertion that 'there is only one person that can provide the leadership" on such a matter vital to the nation's interests.
"There are 535 of us that can provide leadership. There are 435 in the House, 100 in the Senate and there is the president, all of us have a responsibility here," he said. "And, you know what is happening? What is happening is the same old tired blame game. He said/she said. I think the American people are tired of it. What they want to hear is what is the solution?"
No solution seemed any nearer, with Obama and Congress on a short holiday break. Congress is expected to be back at work Thursday and Obama in the White House after a few days in Hawaii.
"It is time to get back to the table," said Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., "And I hope if anyone sees these representatives from the House in line shopping or getting their Christmas turkey, they wish them a merry Christmas, they're civil, and then say go back to the table, not your own table, the table in Washington."
Obama already has scaled back his ambitions for a sweeping budget bargain. Before leaving the capital on Friday, he called for a limited measure that extend George W. Bush-era tax cuts for most people and stave off federal spending cuts. The president also urged Congress to extend jobless benefits for the long-term unemployed that would otherwise be cut off for 2 million people at the end of the year.
"The truth of the matter is, if we do fall off the cliff after the president is inaugurated, he'll come back, propose just what he proposed ... in leaving Washington and we'll end up adopting it, but why should we put the markets in such turmoil and the people misunderstanding or lack of confidence," said Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Ga. "Why not go ahead and act now?
Obama's announcement late Friday suggested that a smaller deal may rest in the Senate, given the failure of Boehner's option in the House.
"The ball is now clearly with the Senate," said Lieberman.
He said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and GOP leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky "have the ability to put this together again and pass something. It won't be a big, grand bargain to take care of the total debt, but they can do some things that will avoid the worst consequences going over the fiscal cliff."
It was only a week ago when news emerged that Obama and Boehner had significantly narrowed their differences. Both were offering a cut in taxes for most Americans, an increase for a relative few and cuts of roughly $1 trillion in spending over a year. Also included was a scaling back of future cost-of-living increases for Social Security recipients - a concession on the president's part as much as agreeing to higher tax rates was for the speaker.
Lieberman was on CNN's "State of the Union," while Barrasso and Conrad appeared on "Fox News Sunday." Klobuchar and Isakson were on "Fox News Sunday."
Taxing churches would take care of a good chunk of the debt. Problem solved.
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Tax all non profits. Don't stop at churches.
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And by the way, taxing churches will not solve the problem any more than taxing the rich. The debt is just way too high to be bailed out by the rich or taxing churches.
 @RalphCramden  @SVB7 I would tax "NOT for profit" companies as their allowed to make money to a point.  Non-profits are non-profit.  Two different tax statuses.
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Very true but non profits are usually political and that should remove their non profit status.
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I am for taxing every entity. Non profits will not pay any taxes because they don't make a profit. So it comes out the same either way.
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The only advantage for a non profit is that they can get tax deductible donations and I am all for eliminations of all deductions on taxes.
Oh no, don't raise taxes on the wealthy they create all the jobs (Overseas) The rich have done nothing but suffer the last 10 years since the taxes were lowered. I saw a rich guy have to light his cigar with a $50 instead of a $100 it was so sad.Â
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It WON'T take care of any debt....... As long as B HO is POTUS, there will be no slowing the growth of the federal government, NONE.
by his actions BHO has NOT done anything to even hint at slowing govt. spending
Maria Bartiromo kicking some Senator butt. You go girl.
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Oh, right. They SO concerned that they'll just let it happen.
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Time to take out the trash, starting with those Teabagger idiots who should be ridden out of Washington on a rail.
Or, better yet, put them in front of the economy as it goes over. Maybe they can provide some padding when it hits.
LET IT CRASH, we can always start over. What is the fear?
 @lee986321 We have nuthing to feah, but feah itself!
We may just need this cliff so the "entitled" can be forced to at least make an attempt to make their lives better. Will it hurt? Yes, and it will hurt everyone. Hey - no pain, no gain. It's time to sacrafice folks. Also it's time that the generational welfare recipients who continue to receive their life support from the taxpayers, get off the fraud train and quit having babies and do something for yourselves.
 @wondering I do wish people would stop lumping Social Security with "entitled." It differs in that the recipients have paid INTO it. It's not just a free ride. The older of us can no longer work and depend on their monthly checks. Touching that would be a tragedy to many.
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Exactly right. I worked for over 50 years and put into SS out of every paycheck. Not only do I deserve it, I demand it.
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Government forced me to pay into it against my will. I had no choice in the matter.
@wondering by the "entitled" you mean the wealthy, right? Since the U.S. govt spends more on corporate welfare (subsidies) than social warfare programs. To the tune of $92B vs. $59B.
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I am all for stopping all government subsidies including those to wind, solar, biomass, ethanol, and other alternative energy projects.
 @Ramsesthegreat Is there a chart you can site? I thought the largest portion of government spending was "Human Services" followed by "Social Security" followed by "Military". Am I mistaken?
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He can't show you a chart that supports his comment.
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The reason is that subsidies are hidden in many different places.
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Here is reality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_federal_budget
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2.17 trillion goes to social welfare programs with SS at the top with about 700 billion.
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The numbers he quotes are couch change compared to the overall budget.
@last boyscout @Ramsesthegreat NO you are not wrong...HUman services is to the tune of 3billion a day or near 1 trillion of the budget.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Here is the live debt clock showing all the ins and outs of our spending for anyone who is interested. I am sure most know this site, but just in case. Be careful, though, it can be depressing to watch and/or mesmerising!
 @wondering It won't work that way more then likely the "entitled" will inherit more then you think while those of us working will flit the bill.
"No solution seemed any nearer, with Obama and Congress on a short holiday break. Confor gress is expected to be back at work Thursday and Obama in the White House after a few days in Hawaii." (from the story)
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Um-hmm.. yeah boy, we can sure tell how "upset" they all are about this... Â everybody's on holiday vacation... and no doubt, just sitting around, crying their eyes out for "we-the-poor-taxpayers", and champing at the bit to get back to DC and "fix everything" so they can all look like a bunch of heroes...Â
(sarc off)
 @margay1 One of my thoughts on this is that many people in this country don't get time off. Retail workers are lucky to get a few hours off. Medical, police and fire aren't off. Most places I've worked give you Christmas day off but not Christmas eve. So why is it so amazing that they are only taking a few days off?
@margay1 One of the other news media outlets states that President Obama's Hawaiian "vacation" is costing $4 million. Great way to enjoy the fiscal cliff!
 @jpk Good for him.
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Why is it that no one bitches about Congress taking MONTHS off at a time, when they're the ones who are supposed to be fixing this economic "crisis".
 @Ramsesthegreat Boy, you sure are right there! I mean, it's not like the democrats ever blame the republicans for anything. *cough* still blaming bush *cough*
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Get over the partisan bullcrap. Democrats and Republicans are BOTH responsible for this absolute bunch of crap. Neither side listens to the people and all they do is scheme to help thier "side" to gain more power and pass some sort of 'landmark' legislation that really does nothing but get a name in the history books.
@Mikey because Congress isn't the President, and every good republican knows the President is the one that is responsible for anything bad, unless its a republican president, then it's the highest ranking Dems fault. It's the republican mentality of "it's everyone's fault but ours."
 @jpk  @margay1 ~  So I've heard.... nice work if you can get it, huh..?
Yup! If I'm ever on the brink of bankruptcy, I'll be sure to take a nice vacation first!
 @margay1 Fixing a mess of their own creation is NOT heroic.
 @Altazi ~ Of course not, Altazi... but you know how these politicians are... The Dems say it's all the fault of the Repubs, and the Repubs blame it all on the Dems... NOBODY will admit to any fault whatsoever..!  Â
So if, by some miracle, they "fixed" it, they'll ALL take credit for it..!
If they raised the taxes on the top 2% they gain enough money to run the governement for 8-9 days. This does not solve the problem. It would if they actually used the revenue to pay down the debt and not add new spending that will absorb most of this revenue raising along with the capital gains increase and the new estate taxes.....It shows they will never learn. A penny saved is 2 pennies spent.....
Average cost per day is 854million to service the interest on the debt......We continue this path and we wont have AAA or AAA+ credit meaning the rate we are charged to borrow for our out of control spending will go higher and higher. By all guesses that rate will hit a billion dollars a day sometime in the next 2 years....................................................Average tax revenue is 5 billion dollars a day yet we spend 11 billion....6billion more than we take in....HOW IS THIS SUSTAINABLE?
I agree I say we go over the cliff....It may be the only way we reign in spending...Start of Obama's presidency was 10.5 trillion and now it is hitting 16 trillion. he did that in 4 years. Here congress is trying to say 1.4-2 trillion over a 10 year period yet we will continue to run 1 trillion dollar deficits per year...Do the math you geniuses that means in 10 years we will be at 24 trillion.......................................Average cost of the debt is 144k per houdehold...Average median household is like only ~30-40k...................Top 2 percent can give 100% of their money and we could not pay this bill..........we are going over not because the 2% cannot pay their fair share, but that 50% of this country is a drain on this budget and society and offer little to nothing in temrs of their fair share.
 @Duvie23 No HE didn't Duvie. Congress did.
At least place the blame where it belongs...with the do-nothing fools in the Capitol.
@Mikey I can tell yuou what POTUS did do.... 1) Failed to ever onnce in his first term submit a budget....instead the government had to work on stop gap bills for 4 years....that was the ultimate kick the can down the road...this was so once again he could deflect blame on other if debt rose or revenue needed to be raised. 2) He pushed the big stimulus plans that created a few jobs to the tune of 100's of thousands of dollars per job...any contrary to what he said the economy still went over 8% unemployment and stayed there for virtually all 4 of his years...only the doctoring th eunemployment data and people running our of endless extensions has allowed it to go under 8% eventhough the real number is still north of 10%.
 @Mikey @Duvie23 Actually, he did as well as CONgress... Every federal politician shares blame for this bullcrap. No arguing the merits of obamacare, but it IS an increase in spending during a downturned economy which is irresponsible strictly on that facet and HE was the one responsible for pushing it through when he did because ZOMG he had to have his name in the history books. Â
Let it go.
Bah,humbug!!
Doesn't matter if we go over another cliff or not... we're screwed just the same.
 Where's this miracle the messiah has promised?  ( But of course he's ready to leave at a moments notice to fly back to Washington if something breaks.) We're waiting barrack.
 Get ready to pay more taxes folks. Get ready to go to debtors prison if you fail to by insurance. Get ready to pay for even more deadbeats.
 @Razor1 Oh, yeah...like it's all his fault.
He can't do anything without Congress, and they're all taking months of time off.
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 @Mikey  @Razor1 obozo don' t need any congress. He has already demonstrated this fact with his backdoor immigration executive order.Â
Please go over the cliff, the sooner the better. Â
 @BREAKING NEWS !!! It'll probably turn out we're at the base of the cliff and instead of falling off we'll just get smashed to smithereens when we hit the wall. LOL!
@Mikey @BREAKING NEWS !!! Maybe the smartest thing I have ever heard you say....we are a tthe base after rolling down the last 2 decades (Repub and Demo faults included) and now we will be hit by the landslide of unfunded liability of entitlements and runaway government spending.....
"Senators fear that country may go over 'fiscal cliff'
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Hopefully  the party of NO sticks to their campaign promises and says NO to any new taxes.
@RalphCramden well they've done a great job of saying NO to any economic growth over the last 3 years. Why would anything change now?
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They didn't say NO enough. For 2 of those years they were the minority so they could say all they wanted and it meant nothing.
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Hopefully they can say NO a bunch more times.
 @RalphCramden  @Ramsesthegreat I agree with Ralph. We've gone too far now. With over half the country on public assistance of some sort we have absolutely no hope of coming out of this depression.
 The government propagandists, and the media can spout reworked numbers anyway they want to, but it's too late. Only a blind man can't see the end.
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Where did I say that I want to see the economy collapse? How is promoting fiscal responsibility unamerican?
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I was raised and taught fiscal responsibility in an American public school back in the days when schools actually taught practical stuff.
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The economy will collapse soon enough. Just a matter of time now. There is nothing that will stop it especially with our idiots in congress that couldn't get together to tie shoelaces.
@RalphCramden so you admittedly want to see the U.S. economy completely collapse? How truly unamerican of you.