State senator to introduce bill limiting gun magazines to 10 rounds
PORTLAND, Ore. – The day after the fatal shooting rampage by a lone gunman at a local mall Tuesday, Oregon state Sen. Ginny Burdick, D-Portland, said she’ll introduce a bill next legislative session to limit gun magazines to 10 rounds.
Burdick sent an email to her fellow lawmakers Wednesday morning urging them to support her legislation after police said 22-year-old Jacob Tyler Roberts entered the Clackamas Town Center Tuesday afternoon with an AR-15 and opened fire, killing 45-year-old Steve Forsyth and 54-year-old Cindy Yuille. Kristina Shevchenko, 15, was badly wounded and was still in the hospital Wednesday in serious condition.
Police said Roberts then shot himself dead.
In her email to lawmakers, Burdick argued large capacity magazines can increase the number of people killed when someone opens fire in a crowded public place.
She also took her argument to the airwaves during a morning radio appearance.
"If you look at the mass shootings that we've had in this country, the shooter eventually is brought down when they have to change clips," she said on KEX's "Mark and Dave" show. "To have a 50-round clip, which is not that unusual, allows you to shoot potentially 50 people before you have to change clips."
She said fears that her bill would begin to erode the rights of Oregonians to own guns are unwarranted.
"I don't have that fear because Oregon is over 50 percent gun ownership, and so we're not going to do anything in Oregon that doesn't pass muster with a good majority of gun owners," she said.
She also noted that there are already laws against having more than 5-round magazines for hunters.
But Kevin Starrett with Oregon Firearms Federation said it can be expected that Burdick will introduce a whole host of bills next session that will work to limit gun owner rights, including one that will prohibit concealed handgun license holders of carrying their weapons where school children are. And he said Burdick was using the shooting as a marketing tool to push her bill.
"The introduction or publication of this bill by Burdick today is nothing more than a really repellent, shameful marketing attempt based on a tragedy that happened that Burdick wants to exploit," he said.
Starrett said limiting magazines to 10 rounds is meaningless and arbitrary and added it would be impossible to track the sale and transfer of large capacity gun magazines (which Burdick's bill would ban) because they don’t have serial numbers. Additionally, there are millions of them already in existence, he said.
"It's not up to the state to tell free American citizens what they may or may not be allowed to own," he said.
If you believe in limiting clip capacity, please watch this video.
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Get real senator, the country needs meaningful gun laws not limits on gun clip capacity. BAN ASSAULT WEAPONS NOW. I believe the public has a right to own military weapons. I see Facebook and U-tube videos of people with minin guns, 50 cal machine guns WTF. How in the world can you support laws that allow these weapons to be owned by the public?
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The 2nd amendment to the US Constitution is not about hunting, or individual self defense, or target shooting or entertainment it is about Liberty's Teeth, to quote a teacher. It is what empowers the the fourth branch, the citizens of the United States to prevent abuse by the Executive, Legislative or Judicial branches of government.This is not a popular view, but being unpopular does not make something not true.
WHAT AN IDIOT. Is she going to make taping 2 of them upside down together too? This has nothing to do with safety because it will have NO EFFECT whatsoever other than pissing off people who understand what the 2nd Amendment is for. People who are ignorant about firearms should not be involved in any discussions. They just embarrass themselves. The only thing that this has done is made every high cap AR15 mag fly off the shelf and go into public circulation in 3 days, vs. three years. BTW, do any idiots out there calling an AR-15 am assault rifle? Shut the hell up. By design, the AR is the NON assault version of the M4. To be an assualt rifle, it MUST NECESSARILY have a triple burst selector switch.
I guess when a drunk driver runs someone over, she would want to take away the driver's licenses from sober drivers as well.
Ugh, you know what, the 2nd Amendment allows people to own guns, you liberal! (talking to senator)
A typical liberal! This plan didn't work in the past to reduce crime, and it won't work now, nor will it work in the future! The only thing this does is to limit legal, law abiding, citizens ability to defend themselves. Passing more laws hasn't fixed anything because criminals just don't care about breaking the law. Any idiot can figure that out!
Wonderful. Law-abiding citizens will not be allowed high capacity magazines, but criminals will have them en masse. Good job proving just how backwards politicians think, and kudos for making the criminal element more powerful just to further your agenda with a pathetic grab for votes, Ginny.
Banning drugs like cocaine, meth, and heroin has worked so well to keep these drugs off of the street, you know...(insert sarcastic smiley here)
Considering how quickly one can swap out a clip, this is just stupid.
I suggest we offer a bill that would ban ignorant legislators like Jinny Burdict!
The solution is simple just put up a gun-free zone sign and that should solve the problem? Right?
You know what effect an AWB or magazine ban would have on rampages? None! http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html?hpt=hp_t4Â
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I'm just thankful these sorts of people are idiots and it hasn't dawned on them to use the far more destructive means that are available.
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She is one of the twits that wants a sales tax for Oregon!
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How many more reasons do you need to recall her, Portland? Â She is NOT working *for* you!
So most of the posts below suggest we agree she's a twit, that her bill is beyond stupid as well as unconstitutional. Â There are some nay-sayers, but this thread is obviously voting NO on her bill. Â
If her judgement is so far from the electorate on this subject, can she be very representative on other subjects??? Â I have for years wondered how someone like her gets elected in the first place?
She does NOT represent the mind of her constituents so recall her or vote her out before she wastes more precious time in our Senate.
It looks like the group 'Oregon Cease Fire' is going to weigh in on this issue by going one step further and are looking for sponsors for a bill to ban certain types of semi-automatic rifles known as assault weapons. So, it is time to contact your representative and let them know that a ban is not the answer, and that if they should sponsor such a draconian measure, then they would be subject to recall.Â
Britain has a gun ban, yet firearm offenses climbed 89% in a decade.
Australia has a gun ban, yet even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime, and that, overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
So what this tells me is that even with a gun ban in place, criminals can still get a gun with impunity, while making it virtually impossible for a law abiding to own one.
It's unfortunate when a fellow liberal royal pisses me off and this pisses me off.This makes me want to stock up on some more magazines for my glock to add to the 2000 rounds of ammo that I already have.I agree that it's not up to the stae to tell people what they can own.....who to marry....choosing abortion...or what kind of plant that we can or cannot injest.
 @noneofyourbizzness That's because you are a TRUE Liberal - not this modern day type we have in office, but a real honest to goodness THINKER.  The Liberal camp is suffused with socialists these days, just like the conservative camp is riddled with puritanical thugs. Â
I know quite a few classic Liberals and they're all great people, independent thinkers, and we agree on most issues even though we come to that agreement from different paths. Â
 @Umhal  @noneofyourbizzness Also known today as libertarians.
When will clowns like Ginny understand we don't have a gun problem, we have a society problem, years ago you could buy a 22 rifle in a Sears or Wards catalog with bullets and every 10 year old in America owned one, they didn't take it to school or shoot up stores or movie theaters, because they knew it was wrong! Today we allow our kids to fantasize about wearing hockey masks and go on a shooting rampage with video games, so when they do get a real rifle in their hands they are so desensitized they act out what society has allowed them to do. Career politicians wake up and smell the coffee! Stop diluting American values and start enforcing whats right and wrong. Stop deflecting the attention by stripping constitutional rights and get back your own accountability to the people. Novel idea huh!
hell no. this idiot should not limit all of our rights. handguns to 10? seriously? i will load up before this takes place. stupid democrats, always wanting to make everything a law and limiting peoples rights.Â
She needs to marry Sam Adams, their both the same "Caliber". Â Useless.
Ridiculous. The human damage the shooter did at the mall could have been done with a 10 round mag or even a bolt action. A gun doesn't kill, the shooter kills. Typical knee-jerk legislator. Immediately after an emotional situation, use it to further your political career. How about you do your job and DEFEND The Constitution instead of rewriting it!!!
And politicians should be limited to one consecutive term at a time.
No ginny, you're not making any law with-out the people's complete consent. the nut could have brought any number of inert material and caused this much grief and damage. the point is, ginny, you are not a ruler.
What a small minded knee jerk reation with a solution that would not at all changed the tragedy she is trying to make political hay off of.....
Ginny Burdick, look how fast you just flushed your political career down the toilet with your ridiculous statement. What makes you and all your other anti-gun nut friends and buddies think that by regulating and /or restricting law abiding citizens ability to own a firearm will solve the problem? Here is a clue for you, and I will type it real slow so you can read and understand it - The last time I looked, the bad guys DO NOT play by the rules, they are not bothered by regulations and restrictions. Never have, and most likely never will. This is why they are called the BAD GUYS.  Â
Maybe your fellow politicians will sit you down and explain this to you.
She should have went on Lars Larson's show.She didn't have the guts to because Lars would've ripped her a new one!
So does that mean that if she gets my 30 round magazines banned that she is going to refund the money I spent on them? I hate to break it to her, but when I do training with my AR, it takes me almost no time at all to drop the 30 round magazine, put a new one in and have the first round loaded. This is a stupid idea that solves nothing at all except alienating the rights of law abiding gun owners. You can make every rule and law that you want, but criminals will never follow them. I am sick and tired of people trying to make new laws and rules that cause good people to suffer and be punished while doing nothing but ensuring that the criminals can do what they want
 @Mike AMEN TO THAT!
Personally I think they should mandate a law that requires bolt action for rifles and pistols that carry 6 shots, if you can't take down a elk with a bolt action rifle, or hit a intruder with a 6 shot pistol then you probably shouldn't be carrying a gun around anyways.
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 @Ryan Chapman How is a bolt action rifle or a six shot pistol going to help me in a home invasion? Or in any number of societal collapse scenarios?
How is the 2A being honored when those who govern are allowed unlimited weaponry. We become subjects, not citizens.
The 2A, rights that shall not be infringed. Get used to it.
@Jack_Bauer @Ryan Chapman Thank you! I would prefer to draw my glock and not stop shooting until the threat is illiminated.(god forbid that ever happens)
@Ryan Chapman ...you assume that is the only purpose for a gun. I think we should only be allowed to own cars that go 55...no motor homes since you only need a tent to go camping, if you can't camp with a tent you should not be camping. 2nd amendment rights are not just for hunting and home defense against intruders...the real purpose is to keep an over-bearing government in its place...it is so we can protect our God given freedoms. Don't forget about the millions killed when "common sense" gun control was enacted. Last comment cars kill more people in the US than guns, so lets make everyone ride a bike. I could go on forever, but hat is enough for now.
That's pretty opportunistic Sen. That horse has already left the barn. What about the millions of existing High cap mags? Do they suddenly become contraband? They aren't going to just dissappear. A 3/4 ton truck is capable of killing dozens of people outside of a sports arena if the driver is inclined to do so. A can full of gasoline and a lighter could cause hundreds of deaths if someone had intent. A guy with a samurai sword could have killed more people in that mall on Tuesday. There is no law that can be passed that will preclude mass killings. Prevention of mass killings will have to take place closer to the root of this problem, not at the auxiliaries.Â
Another knee jerk reaction so politicians can feel they earned the job, .....
As a active member of the "armed left", This doesn't sit too well with me.As a law abiding citizen,I feel as I'm being punished for the behavior of all of the crazies that have been shooting up malls and theaters.
 @noneofyourbizzness I applaud your support of the 2A. But you associate yourself with a group who has the death of the 2A as one of its cornerstones.
For a 2A supporter to belong to the DNC is a bit like a snake eating itself.
@Jack_Bauer I understand completely what you are saying.I can't and don't agree with everything the left or the right stands for.I have strong convictions regarding a woman's right to choose and gay marriage and marijuana prohibition.(all the things that involve personal liberties)that puts me over in the liberal camp.I also enjoy some of the info that I get from the NRA.I just wish they would be more about guns and not so much about politics.I don't have this fear that anyone is going to take away my guns or in this case my magazines.
 @noneofyourbizzness What is it you are afraid of with having the same gun with less bullets loaded into it?
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Do you think it will take more than 10 rounds to defend yourself? Cause if it does, then you shouldn't probably have a gun anyways.
 @Ryan Chapman  @noneofyourbizzness Your comments are very ignorant.
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@Ryan Chapman I conceal carry a small .380 for self protection as well as a glock.45.For fun I have a modified 22 with a high capacity magazine (in my picture above) I'm not waiting for Armageddon or the government or Obama coming to get my guns,I'm simply a democrat liberal gun enthusiast who gets a thrill out of rapid firing a high capacity gun.I don't think it's fair to have my enjoyment taken away from me.(Although I highly doubt that I will get any of my guns or magazines taken from me from L.E
@Ryan Chapman @noneofyourbizzness Give me hard facts how the Clinton gun ban stopped or prevented any crime...then I might take you seriously.
 @Blackbill9999 also, Clinton shut down tons of US bases
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How can I go elk hunting now?
Maybe they should make it illegal to kill yourself after murdering a bunch of people. That would serve a better purpose than this joke of a law.
No one needs high capacity 30 round magazines (for example) and I'm fine with said proposal but in essence this punishes law abiding citizens and is not the answer.....criminals don't care about laws anyway.
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The answer is, there is no answer.
 @deejm2112 Thank you for determining what I do and don't need.
The 2A says that my rights 'shall not be infringed' regarding firearms.
Who has the right to interfere with my constitutional right? With all due respect, not you.
And with a total lack of respect, not this constitution hating politician.
 @deejm2112 I need high capacity magazines, but I agree, the answer is, there is no answer. Having said that, I effin' HATE that b*tch
Moron does not seem to get that taking 6 10 rounds mags is just as easy as 2 30 round ones and takes all of 1-2s to swap in a new mag.
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So in other words lets pass a law that would have done absolutely nothing to help limit or prevent the tragic situation we are trying to use/abuse for our own personal political jihad.
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Mr B you should be ashamed of your self for being such a slimy political leader...