U.S. Senate panel approves gun background check

WASHINGTON (AP) — Democrats gave a boost Tuesday to the pillar of President Barack Obama's plans for reducing gun violence, pushing a bill requiring nearly universal federal background checks for firearms buyers through the Senate Judiciary Committee over solid Republican opposition.
The proposal still faces a difficult path through Congress, where GOP lawmakers say it would have little impact on crime and warn that it is a precursor to a federal registry of gun owners. Such a listing is forbidden by federal law and is anathema to conservatives and the National Rifle Association.
The committee approved the bill 10-8, supported by every Democrat and opposed by all Republicans. It would require background checks for transactions between private individuals — they are now mandatory only for sales by licensed gun dealers — and expand a system designed to keep firearms from criminals, those with major mental problems and others.
"This isn't going to be a perfect bill," said its sponsor, Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., acknowledging that it wouldn't end gun violence. "But it will sure reduce crimes."
The panel also voted 14-4 for a measure providing an additional $40 million annually for school safety improvements like classroom locks and training for teachers. Four Republicans joined Democrats in backing that measure, which initially called for a higher figure that was reduced in bargaining between Sens. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., and Susan Collins, R-Maine.
Awaiting a committee vote Thursday is a proposal by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., to ban assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines. That bill is expected to win panel approval but die in the full Senate when the chamber considers gun legislation, probably in April.
Tuesday's session came as lawmakers wrestle over responding to December's carnage at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., that took the lives of 20 students and six educators. It also underscored the hurdles faced by expanded background checks, which has been seen as the most potent step lawmakers could take that has a fighting chance of passing Congress.
"Mass shootings would continue to occur despite universal background checks," said Iowa Sen. Charles Grassley, the committee's top Republican. "Criminals will continue to steal guns and buy them illegally to circumvent the requirements. When that happens, we will be back here debating whether gun registration is needed. And when registration fails, then the next step is gun confiscation."
Schumer responded that that assertion "demeans the argument."
Schumer said he is continuing to negotiate with Republicans in hopes of crafting a compromise background-check bill. Talks failed with conservative Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla.
Schumer also faces potential defections from a half-dozen moderate Democrats from Republican-leaning states in the South and West who face re-election next year.
There are 53 Democrats in the 100-member Senate and two independents who usually side with them. Republicans are likely to force Democrats to get the 60 votes needed to advance legislation.
Leaders in the GOP-dominated House have expressed little support for extending background checks to private transactions.
At one point during Tuesday's debate, Schumer sounded almost wistful about the proposal's prospects.
"It's sad," he said. "Right after Newtown, there was a view that maybe the right place that we could all come together on was background checks."
According to the Justice Department, the government has conducted 118 million background checks since the system began in 1998 and rejected 2.1 million applicants because of them. Supporters of expanding the system say this shows how many dangerous people have been denied firearms, while opponents argue that the requirement simply drives criminals to get their weapons elsewhere.
Schumer's bill would exempt some transactions, like those between close relatives.
It would also delay currently mandated cuts in federal aid to states that don't improve the number of mental health records they report to the federal background check system, but reimpose the cuts in coming years. The penalty is designed to prod states to do a better job of reporting the information to the national system, following shootings by people whose information had not been sent to Washington.
Obama had lunch Tuesday with Senate Democrats. Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., a moderate who worked with Schumer toward a bipartisan background check deal, said Obama told them that guns and background checks were "a very important topic and he'd like to see what could be practically done."
Before Tuesday's committee action, the NRA emailed a fundraising solicitation to supporters accusing the Obama administration of "exploiting a terrible tragedy to pursue the political agenda they've been after for years — eliminating your constitutional right to keep and bear arms."
The panel's votes drew praise from Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a coalition of more than 900 mayors headed by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Boston Mayor Thomas Menino. Also expressing support was Mark Kelly, the retired astronaut who with his wife, the severely wounded former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., has formed a committee pushing gun control.
A poll released Tuesday by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center found that around 8 in 10 of both gun owners and people without guns favor extending background checks to private gun sales. Majorities of gun owners oppose banning assault weapons, while most without firearms favor the prohibition.
About 3 in 10 Republicans said they own guns, about double the rate of Democrats. It also found that two-thirds of NRA members support expanded background checks.
NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam contested that, saying Pew had no access to NRA membership files and pointing to a survey by the group stating that 9 in 10 members oppose "banning the sale of firearms between private citizens."
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Associated Press writers Alicia A. Caldwell and Julie Pace contributed to this report.
Copyright 2013 The Associated Press.
"This isn't going to be a perfect bill," said its sponsor, Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., acknowledging that it wouldn't end gun violence. "But it will sure reduce crimes."
The latest shooting was in NY! NY has the most anti gun laws in the country! It is obvious that anti gun laws do not stop or even slow down violent crimes!Â
Chuck Schumer is a complete idiot! Unfortunately he is not the only idiot politician!
"This isn't going to be a perfect bill," said its sponsor, Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., acknowledging that it wouldn't end gun violence. "But it will sure reduce crimes."
Seriously? How?
What an idiot.
Background checks requiring any information about the firearm should be refused. Gun registration is a violation of the constitution! The checks are supposed to be on the potential buyers ability to possess firearms, not the firearms.
DO NOT TRUST YOUR POLITICIANS!!! Especially those trying to impose gun control upon law abiding citizens of America! Many countries around the world were disarmed before they were enslaved.
@Freedom1267 Long live the Republic, Death to the New World Order. Don't Tread On Me.
Supposedly 92% of the people surveyed support background checks. I wonder if those people really know how intrusive the government background checks will be. It's feel good legislation with deadly consequences for all of our freedom.
Obummer has a history of gun hating and won't be satisfied until we are all disarmed.Â
Gosh there are such sore losers here, we elected these folks to carry forward laws that increase our safety, your candidate for president, Mitt RobME, or the tea bagger? oh wait no Teabagger made it close, see what makes you cranky is you lost and are losing all over because what your tactic  is, is obstructionist , and we live in a progressive world, morality, humanity does not clamor for more guns in society, unless your in Sudan, hey that's an idea! Since we have west coast, from here to all points north and south anew place load up all your guns and float there!  Look your welcome to stay and all, use our roads, power and be stuck in traffic with the rest of us, we just prefer you, especially you, not have any gun, not any, you have proved yourself unworthy, but my more liberal counterparts check that, so carry on, rant, vent and please don't harm anyone with your guns, because we liberals will put you in a cell for life.Â
@Social Glimpse ---- Home invasion, attempted rape, attempted murder, attempted kidnapping, all prevented every day by armed citizens. Unfortunately the blamestream media seldom reports because it doesn't support their propaganda line.Â
Guns save lives.
@Social Glimpse Lame dude. Very lame.....Douchebaggery 201.....
@Social Glimpse  I have a better idea. F--k off.
@Social Glimpse
LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER!
Hunters better watch out too, the borrowing/lending exception for them isn't what they'd expect. Basically it's a carve out only for guides and outfitters, nearly everyone else becomes an instant felon and goes to jail.
Oh and for those of us in Oregon who primarily use the public lands for shooting, you and your buddies can't try out each other's guns anymore, as public lands don't count as a shooting range.
This bill isn't just a 'universal' background check bill, it's a full blown gun owner incrimination bill.
It is the moronic mentalities like this that drive the black market!
Many legal Americans have guns, and many of the guns are not registered with the government!
Many legal Americans make an effort to only buy and keep guns that have not been registered!
Many legal Americans just don't trust the government any more. Perhaps it is due to the idiots that have been elected (?) (voter fraud) to office. Most of the distrust may be caused by the push for the âNew World Orderâ being pushed by the United Nations.
Many legal Americans do not plan to make it easy for our corrupt politicians to give America away to foreign governments!
Why wait for it to come to the floor by them you have no chance at making your thoughts heard. Write your representatives and ask them what they think. The new way to get things done seems to be to say what you believe is what the majority of American believe. Other than an official vote there is no way to prove those claims. But that doesnt stop the trend of sensationalizing the facts!!!! This is after all the reality show generation.
Ron Wyden -> believes in additional funding for mental health and universal background checks
Suzanne Bonamichi -> believes in banning assualt rifles and more than 10 round clips
Jeff Merkley ->believes in banning assualt rifles and more than 10 round clips
@mike ---I've written all my Washington representatives to let them know my feelings on gun control. It probably got me on some malcontent list, but that's okay, they are on my list. Kudos to the pro 2nd Amendment Washington legislators.
Universal background checks won't stop criminals from getting guns, but it will make it more difficult and expensive for them to get guns.
Anything that is an inconvenience and expense to criminals, I'm in favor of. They have limited ability to pass on their costs to the consumer.
Personally, when I bought my new Glock, I had exactly zero problems, cares, or concerns about filling out the form, since I have no worries about my background.
@ShallowEnder Oregon gun laws are pretty reasonable. If they're going to add any law, it ought to be harsher sentencing for straw purchasers of guns used in crimes. Hold the providers accountable.
Of course they approve it, it makes being a legal gun owner virtual impossible. I'm currently borrowing a shotgun from my dad, but Schumer's law would make my dad and I both felons.
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@lousecrapton Am I the only person having issues trying to comprehend this?
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@feral Yeah, it's not like anybody every shot up a classroom full of kids or anything.
@AntiTrollTroll @feral What are the odds?Â
What's funny is people who just want to protect their children from extremely-rare acts of violence, while also feeding them french fries and cheeseburgers.
@AntiTrollTroll @feralÂ
Let me ask you this: Â How many school children do you think my AR-15 and my 10, 30 round magazines have killed? Â I'll give you a hint: Â It's zero. Â Why? Â Because my weapon is a tool, and it's the wielder that is the one who shoots up the children, not the weapon. Â There are literally MILLIONS of these weapons in the hands of law abiding citizens, and they've done nothing wrong.
I wouldn't ask to curb your Constitutional right to free speech or religion, don't try to infringe on my right to own any weapon of my choosing. Â I could just as easily use the First Amendment to whip a crowd into a frenzy and do much worse damage than any AR could do. Â Case in point: Â Hitler, Stalin, Jonestown. Â These leaders had nothing more than a charisma that allowed them to manipulate people into doing their bidding.
@Social Glimpse @Travis Beehler @AntiTrollTroll @feralÂ
Try reading that out loud.
@Travis Beehler @AntiTrollTroll @feral So with your logic because "you say" your good you could have a bazooka and it would be swell cause you really like to soften up quail, just because guns loosed under Bush does not insure it will not be withdrawn, keep your shotgun, but behave, We are in power the liberals, and while we endured your type, your in for a lot of hard truths, they lied to you, those pesky conservatives, a more moral humane world is shaping up and we will bring you with, yeah, the whole west coast! Hang on, leading to peace may have a few bumps, but were going that way pesky ones and all!
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Straw purchasers, huuuumm, Eric Holder are you listening. Oh yeah, I forgot, you are above the law.
Schumer the mean demeanor. He will forever demean the Constitution. I bet he spends taxpayer money having custom toilet paper made with the Constitution on it.
Kelly and Giffords, you poor dears, you don't even realize you are media pawns.
I think the Democrats should move all gun control bills from committee to the floor of the Senate for a vote. Hopefully, the bills make it to the House for a vote as well, but, they won't. I doubt Sen. Reid brings any gun control legislation to the floor, he knows the Democrats will die on this hill if they choose to fight. The political reality is that the momentum from Newtown and Aurora has faded. I encourage him to bring any gun control legislation for a vote so the electorate knows where each of the Senators stand on our rights.Â
It will never make it to a vote. The Democrats have 13 vulnerable seats in 2014 and they won't dare risk the shellacking they'll take by voting for meaningless, feel good gun-control legislation.
Almost forgot, NRA membership is at record highs.
Caption for that picture............
Okay, who's gonna tell that nitwit from Chicago that its really 17 trillion !!!
What guns? I don't have any guns and if I don't give any of the guns I don't have away to somebody who doesn't give me money for them, they won't have guns either.
Meanwhile, if you served in the military or saw a therapist for PTSD, be prepared to give up your 2nd Amendment rights. Unless you're a cop.
"The problem with expanding this is that, you know, with the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War, itâs not clear how the seller or transferrer of a firearm covered by this bill would verify that an individual was a member, or a veteran, and that there was no impairment of that individual with respect to having a weapon like this."Â - Feinstein
@Playanekes Audie Murphy broke the silence on PTSD, perhaps you can respect him? We sure do.
@Social Glimpse @Playanekes  In Feinstein-world, Audie Murphy wouldn't have been able to carry a weapon as a civilian because of his PTSD.
I respect the rights of people like Audie Murphy to own any kind of weapon--or weed, for that matter--that they choose because who in hell has a right to say they know more about gun violence that a Chosin Reservoir or Fallujah veteran? It sure as hell isn't you, me or Dianne Feinstein.
@PlayanekesÂ
PTSD has been around for centuries. Â Used to be called Shell Shock, or Battle Fatigue. Â If Feinstein truly said this, or believed it, she's either woefully uninformed, or a complete moron. Â Seeing her other statements over her career, I'd vote the latter.
Just look at what she did to allow the Night Stalker serial killer to continue his killings. Â She opened her mouth and gave away details only the killer and police knew. Â First thing he did was toss that evidence over the Golden Gate Bridge.
Why Californians keep voting in this idiot into office is beyond me.
@Playanekes --- "Guns, I ain't got no stinkin' guns!" My safes are where I keep my MJ. ;)
'U.S. Senate panel approves gun background check' Will do nothing to keep the criminals and whack jobs from getting guns. It will, however, make it that much more difficult for law abiding citizens to buy guns.
"This isn't going to be a perfect bill," said its sponsor, Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y. You are absolutely right, Sen. Chuck Schumer. This is nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction that adds yet another layer of governmental intrusion.
@theobserver --- I'd like to knee that jerk in nads.
If they don't approve a background check without the firearm serial number the check is a registration and unconstitutional!
@Freedom1267 Yep and they can kiss my proverbial backside if they think I am giving them squat! I know a LOT of people that have unregistered guns as it is.......This is just plain ridiculousness. Not going to help squat.