Wash. gov race brings attention to immigrant driver's licenses

SEATTLE (AP) - The races for governor and attorney general have brought renewed attention to a proposal that would create a two-tiered driver's license system in Washington to address the issue of driving by immigrants who can't provide proof of legal U.S. residency.
Washington and New Mexico remain the only two states in the country not to require proof of legal U.S. residency when applying for a driver's license.
Under the proposal known as the Utah model, a person who can't prove U.S. residency can get a permit that allows them to drive, but that document is not a valid identification.
Republican gubernatorial candidate Rob McKenna backs the idea, and attorney general candidates Republican Reagan Dunn and Democrat Bob Ferguson speak of it favorably.
"The idea that you should be able to obtain (a key identity document) without proving you're a legal resident of the country is seriously mistaken," McKenna said during a debate in Yakima earlier this month.
McKenna's opponent, Democrat Jay Inslee, has said he prefers keeping Washington's current system in place.
Over the years, this has been a contentious issue in Olympia that pits immigrant advocacy groups against conservatives.
Immigrant groups argue that when illegal immigrants have access to driver's licenses, it creates safer roads and allows them to purchase insurance. Opponents say that failing to ask for proof of U.S. residency invites identity fraud and could end up putting noncitizens in the state's voter rolls.
In Utah, one industry that relies heavily on immigrant labor hasn't seen much change since the law there was passed in 2005.
"Certainly there are labor shortages in our agricultural community, but we didn't feel (the driver's license law) had a significant impact," said Sterling Brown, vice president of public policy at the Utah Farm Bureau Federation. "It has not had an immediate or significant impact on the agriculture community."
According to Utah Driver License Division data, the number of people applying for the Driving Privilege Card has steadily climbed since 2005, from 21,600 to 38,997 in 2011. It peaked at 43,000 in 2008. That same year a state audit found that more than 75 percent of people who had the driving permit also had active car insurance, comparable to the 82 percent rate of drivers with a regular license.
But now immigrant rights groups in Utah are worried about information sharing between the state and the federal government.
In the 2011 legislative session, lawmakers changed the law to mandate the state to notify U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement if an applicant has a felony on this record. If the individual applying has a misdemeanor warrant outstanding, the state notifies the agency who sought the person's arrest.
Luis Garza, executive director of Comunidades Unidas, says he's concerned that people with minor offenses such as traffic infractions will be caught in the dragnet. He's also worried about the database of people applying for the driving permits being leaked.
Beyond that, the system creates a two-class society, he said.
"They have big red letters saying for 'driving privilege only'," Garza said. "Anyone who shows that card - who may or may not be undocumented in the country - is a second class citizen."
In 2010, the Utah Legislature created another driving permit for noncitizen legal residents, who initially could get the Driving Privilege Card. Still, nearly 160 legal immigrants have the permit.
It's not just immigrant rights groups who oppose the two-tier system. In 2011, a Republican state senator wanted to undue the law because he saw the driving permit as a magnet for illegal immigrants.
In Washington, numerous bills to require proof of U.S. residency have been filed but have never made it the floor of any legislative chamber in recent memory. A bill using the Utah model was introduced in 2011, but did not make it out of committee.
In 2010, the Department of Licensing answered some of the concerns about driver's licenses by narrowing the documents that it now requires to provide proof of Washington residency. It now requires proof of a valid Washington residence address if an applicant doesn't provide a verified Social Security number. The proof documents, such as rental agreements, will be copied and verified by the agency before a permanent license is issued.
"First and foremost, we believe the current system works and we want as much as possible that DOL doesn't become ICE," said Toby Guiven, public policy director at OneAmerica, an immigrant advocacy group.
According to Department of Licensing data, fewer out-of-state people who didn't provide a Social Security number have sought to obtain a driver's license in Washington in the last two years, suggesting the department's new restrictions are deterring illegal immigrants from other state from getting a license here.
The department's data shows that in 2011, 9,237 people didn't provide a Social Security number when obtaining a license. In all of 2010, more than 23,000 did not. As of October of 2012, more than 5,000 have.
Guiven argued that creating a new system would add costs to the state budget, new bureaucracies and more wait time at the local DMV office.
In Utah, wait lines did increase shortly after the new law was passed, but subsequently decreased, according to an audit.
One unsolved issue around driver's licenses is the arrival of the federal REAL ID act. It was passed in 2005, but its implementation has been delayed since then. The latest deadline for states to come into compliance is January of next year. But officials expect that deadline to be extended.
Department of Licensing spokeswoman Chris Anthony said the Department of Homeland Security has asked for so far an update package for the state at the end of October, but that's it so far.
She added that state lawmakers passed a measure that prohibited the department from acting on REAL ID until the federal government provided money.
Poll after poll has shown that most Americans do not like illegal immigration and want it to end.
Foreign laborers send billions to their home countries. This harms our country. Remittances to Latin American countries in 2007 was about $49 BILLION. To India in 2011 the remittances from the US totaled $66 BILLION.
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Keep in mind, most all fresh foods in stores are picked by immigrants and illegals. Â Without them, prices will sky rocket. Â Why, most Americans don't want to work in farm fields, and most are likely to FAT to last more than a few minutes. Â America has become fat and lazy. Â A husband or wife thats fat should be grounds for divorce without question. Â I can't imagine living with a fat wife all my life. Â Disgusting.
@RandyH Just think of how many jobs our citizens would have if the illegals wre not around. You have a very bad arguement...BTW i hope your wife gets really fat so you can eat your statement .
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C'mon KATU they are ILLEGAL ALIENS not Immigrants.   Immigrants are folks who come here LEGALLY.
How about proof of insurance also before you get a license? Then when/if the insurance lapses the DMV is notified and the license is suspended. I know, too late they're going to keep on driving anyway.
New Immigration Laws:
1.There will be no bilingual programs in the schools
2.All ballots will be in this nation's language
3.All government business will be conducted in our language
4.Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here
5.Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office
6.Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.
7.Foreigners will not be a burden to taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs. Any burden will be deported.
8.If foreigners come here and buy land... options will be restricted. Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.
9.Foreigners may have no protest; no demonstrations, no waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our President or his policies. These will lead to deportation.
10.If you come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted & when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you.
Too strict?
The above laws are current immigration laws of MEXICO.
 @MrAchilles Just a few notes: # 2 and #3: The US does not have a "national language" (SCOTUS Ruling). Note in #4 the term is residents not citizens; in the US non-citizens cannot vote in federal or state elections (legal residents can vote in some local elections in some states). #5 is the law in every country I have been able to check. #6,7,8,10 were eneacted int he 1970's in Mexico to make nationalization of foreign assets easier and more beneficial. #9 would directly violate the US Constitution (something called the First Amendment, you may have heard of it).
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Mexico is free to adopt laws as they see fit. Most Americans don't agree with a lot of your agenda.
@ShallowEnder ........don't speak for "most Americans". You have an opinion and you're entitled to it. So are "most Americans"
@ShallowEnder   Correction. Most Illegals do not agree with this agenda. Good try though.
@ShallowEnder @MrAchilles Most that are pandering for votes........ why else would we allow them to break our laws............
@MrAchilles  I understand that that is the law of Mexico and I would prefer the United States to have similar laws, Items 2 & 3 will be difficult since the United States has NO official language (see link below). We do however have a DEFACTO STANDARD language - English. It is the only language you MUST learn in school.
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Driving is a privilege, not a right. A driver's license is also a state issued ID, recognized by LE, government agencies and other states.
If you are not in the US legally, go get an international driver's license. That way you can legally drive, which is the argument posed here. You have to show proof of insurance to get it, which is also part of the argument. There, problem solved.
 @Owt_Raged That would require that they have insurance. I have been hit before by an illegal immigrant once: expired colorado plates, no insurance, didnt speak english and no drivers license. So what was the answer that I was given by Vancouver Police? If they arent blocking traffic, we arent showing up. Just letting this go on is the biggest problem with this country. We get tied into the stories about "good people" who broke "law thats not a big deal". This bleeding heart mentality in this country needs to stop, people need to buck up.
 @commonsense33 Well, we all know that all the laws in the world, don't stop illegal behavior, if they did, our prisons would be empty. And the police are required to respond to any accident with injury or more than $500 in damage.
BTW, Good People don't knowingly break the law. Those stories are BS.
"They have big red letters saying for 'driving privilege only'," Garza said. "Anyone who shows that card - who may or may not be undocumented in the country - is a second class citizen."
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Did I miss something? Last I checked Mr. Garza, illegal immigrants are not "citizens", they are anything but. So how can you consider them "second class citizens" when they are not citizens at all. If the illegal immigrants entered the country legally in the first place there wouldnt' be a fear of getting harassed or arrested. People in this country really need to buck up and stop being a bunch of bleeding hearts. We have laws much like other countries, time for people to learn to follow them.Â
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 @commonsense33 'Last I checked Mr. Garza, illegal immigrants are not "citizens", they are anything but. So how can you consider them "second class citizens" when they are not citizens at all'.
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But, those expectations are ones of Americans; usually Americans that have lived here a while. What is becoming all too commonplace, is the expectation [of new 'immigrants' -- borrowing from their mindset and terminology, but 'illegal aliens' to us] that EVERYONE should be able to 'move to' the US with no restrictions, no penalties, no problems. Â I kid you not. There is a developing mindset in much of the world (especially in the poorer strata of those 'south of the border') that ANYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME HERE AND LIVE AS THEY PLEASE. Â Of course, if no one here is willing to stop the influx, then their [misguided] expectations will have proven themselves by default.
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For the apologists and enablers of illegal aliens in OR: How many more can our economy, environment, social services, schools 'accommodate', 'absorb', 'handle', etc. before things start to unwind and fall apart? We take in more immigrants (legal ones) and de facto illegal aliens than any other country in the world. Does India at 1 billion+ do that? Nope. Does China, even at 1.5 billion and experience robust growth do that? Nope. Â So, we are left to shoulder a burden that no one else chooses to. Â Not only that, but be penalize our own citizens / legal residents by the two or three fold insult to injury: not only do they suffer illegal/unfair job competition, they have their identities stolen/SS messed up, and also suffer needless other crimes as a result. Â
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I did a quick read through the comments and feel like people are getting wound around the axle while mixing and matching social problems together. In my view, we should be aiming to make the roads safer for all of us and reduce the number of uninsured motorists. There's just no reason why I should have to pay for other people to drive around untrained and uninsured.
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Therefore the drivers license should reflect your ability to safely operate a motor vehicle. Tying in provisions to ensure citizenship just makes the waters very muddy and bogs it all down in a political mess. Let's first focus on assuring ourselves that those people behind the wheel have appropriate training -- maybe something like what they do in the UK where it takes a year (or longer) to get a license.
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Car insurance should be tied to your having a valid license and proof of insurance should be visible outside the car (sticker on your license). This way the cops can pull over the uninsured motorists before they get into accidents. Cars caught without insurance should be impounded until insurance is provided.
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Finally, we should provide an alternative method for proving identification and immigration status / citizenship. The article mentioned a federal ID program; that makes a lot of sense to me. This would be much more effective than each state having it's own rules about what constitutes "proof of identity" like we have now.
 @Ack Do you really think that it is just the legal driver's license keeping immigrants from being insured? Do you think on min wage pay that they have an extra 50-100 bucks a month for insurance?
 @SR Why is it so important to focus on illegal immigrants driving without insurance? Wouldn't it be best to find a general purpose solution that keeps all uninsured motorists off the road? As a driver (who has insurance), I don't really care if the person who smacks into me is illegal or not; only that he or she has insurance to cover the damage caused.Â
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Having stickers on the outside of the car indicating that you're up to date on insurance is one way we can help cops find uninsured motorists before they cause damage... Maybe there are other solutions as well.
@Ack @SR Who the heck wants to place a sticker on the outside of there car every month? That's a little silly and excessive and wouldn't prevent uninsured drivers from driving. It is your responsibility to protect yourself. So if you are that worried about it carry uninsured motorist coverage.
......I know of an older person who is pretty much house bound, has no ID except for social security checks, old school things etc. from back in the 40/50's...
BS Give them a ride and help them get ID. Help them go vote. I also know people that have a hard time, but that is something that the relitives help with.
Its called a international drivers license. I carry it when I go to any other country and want to drive. It is easy to obtain with proof of insurance and ten dollars. It is also required in many countries to drive. These people just want to make it easy to obtain an american ID so they can make it easy to get the illegal vote.
Why are we even considering passing laws that help those who enter our country illegally by flaunting our laws that are supposed to be upheld by all American citizens. In no other country in this world can you get a license without showing Passports, Visa's, and valid ID. These people also know when they drive with no insurance and just run instead of accepting responsability if in a accident, they are above the law, because our laws do not apply to them. They are going to do it anyway.
"They have big red letters saying for 'driving privilege only'," Garza said. "Anyone who shows that card - who may or may not be undocumented in the country - is a second class citizen."
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Well guess what, you are NOT a legal citizen and invading this country and living here illegally will never change that fact until your learn English and become a 'legal citizen'.........
ALL illegal alien INVADERS are SCUM and should be run out of the country at the end of bayonettes.
 @2easy2berightback So, are you full-blood Native American or volunteering to be first to leave?
Abide by the law if you whant to be a citizen. DUMB@@S
"They have big red letters saying for 'driving privilege only'," Garza said. "Anyone who shows that card - who may or may not be undocumented in the country - is a second class citizen." Second class citizen? If you aren't American, you aren't citizen, there is No class here.
I think that anyone of lawful driving age that wants a licence to drive should get one. There should be two tiers, one has proof of citizenship, the second does not require proof of citizenship/lawful residency. Here is the thing, the licence that does not require proof is valid only for passenger vehicles/motorcycles cannot be used for commercial driving and the holder must have valid insurance.......The names and photos of the non citizenship licences should be shared with homeland security, if they are in fact living here legally and just don't have the supportive ID then OK, if it is found that they are here illegally, then Homeland has their photo, address, vehicle info etc. then they should be hunted down and deported......I know of an older person who is pretty much house bound, has no ID except for social security checks, old school things etc. from back in the 40/50's....granted they are beyond driving but there are other older people that are not intune to modern day ID or even computers......They need a break but NOT illegals/criminals
 @FreerideNOT I believe I understand your way of thinking, but how does a person that cannot provide proof of citizenship and gets a 2nd tier license even get insurance to drive? I am wondering why we treat our legalized drivers as second-class citizens under this provision you describe? I am old and pay way too much for car insurance to subsidize illegals that drive and are famous for hit-and-runs that end up costing us legals millions of dollars in increased premiums. Could be that most illegal lovers do not want to hear the truth and I plan on moving out of WA to MT to get away from the inevitable...
@boned My thought is that there are some older legal Americans that have not been caught up in the present day and thus allowing them and regretfully illegals to get a licence to drive it will require insurance which will protect the others on the road and give homeland security a source of data where illegals can be located.......right now illegals are driving without insurance, when they have an accident they flee the scene....the legal driver and their insurance picks up the tab.......
I suppose I really do not understand why we continue to pander to these illegals and why we worry so much about their rights.Seems if your here illegally then you have gave up any rights that are accorded to citizens!
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Naive much? Republicans vote against reform for illegals, not for. Your wonderful POTUS and his admin are the ones trying to get the Dream Act through.  It would be smart not to talk politics if your not educated in that area.Â
 @MrAchilles I guess it's kind of like kicking the empty can down the road.Â
I miss soup!
 @MrAchilles It's a troll. Best not to feed it.  The snottiness reminds me of Soup.
 @crabbycakesOnly upon the first offense. Even then, 99.99% of illegals end up either a). accepting a job (which, very much IS an offense) - and usually rack up a host of other infractions while they're at it: ID Theft, tax-evasion, etc. and/or b). public assistance.
Both are strictly forbidden. Federal authorization is required to be issued an SSN and to later accept any work here. Similarly, Federal law also prohibits the dispensation of Federal welfare benefits to those that can't show they are citizens or legal residents.
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Having said all that, the only way an illegal could sneak into the country and NOT have it be criminal, would be if that person were independently wealthy and never accepted any job nor used faked/bogus ID while there were here.. how many illegals can say they fit those criteria?
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@crabbycakes .......you're pretty big on the name calling aren't you !
@crabbycakes Crappy....Alejandrina Gisselle GUZMAN-Salazar was detained after trying to cross at Tijuana, mexico appeared in U.S. Federal Court in San Diego on 25 Oct12. Think you might recognise your suppliers last name...its in capital letters.........BTW love your 6pts.
@ThePosterFormerlyKnownAsPhredE @crabbycakes Gee anyone read the story on the daughter of a mexican drug cartel boss who tried to sneak into the US to give birth to her anchor?????She just appeared before a federal judge.......hmmm must be civil.......crappycakes you are all wet, go back to mexico to dry out but stay away from where they get the corona....its the urinals all over mexico.......wait that is every street
@crabbycakes Sorry it is NOT a civil offence it is a criminal offence. How many times does one get arrested for a civil offence?, How many times does one find themselves in jail/prison for a civil offence.............Do a bit of research and you just might learn something. It is a crime to enter/remain in the US illegally. Gee what does the word illegal mean? How about criminal/crime.against the law.
@crabbycakes Oh crappy....you must mean FIR.......Do you know what this is and no I don't mean in mexico but in the US.
@crabbycakes crappy, you need to check the laws and a little thing called PC. If in fact the officer has no suspicion that he/she can support with facts of a crime one cannot be detained/arrested. The law does not require you to carry ID, nor can one be arrested/detained for being "suspicious". I have been out in public without ID and was even stopped while driving. I gave the officer my name/DOB and from memory my DL number. ...No cite and I had my insurance card in the glove box......You need to go back and start at prelaw...opps sorry you need to graduate from high school first.
@crabbycakes Sorry dummy, they get mugged, printed, DNA, entered into LEDS/NCIC which are CRIMINAL data bases. Not an arrest gee sure sounds like it.
This is garbage. Why do we continue to reward illegal behavior?
@wondering because if we didn't, no one would want to be a Wall Street banker. :)
Sounds like more illegals today are just driving around without a license. And a legitimate license is needed for car insurance. What are the cops doing when they stop them? Letting them go? But of course. Preferential treatment.
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 @TimBurr The short answer, is, basically: "yes".. unless, they somehow commit a 'serious crime' (defined by the Obama Administration). Once again, the illegal aliens have one looser set of rules to live by, while the law-abiding, tax-paying citizens and legal residents have quite another.
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More about Obama's "DACA" (his pseudo-DREAM Act amnesty) unilaterally implemented by the Executive without Congressional input/passing of law.
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/october-14-2012/about-4600-illegal-aliens-approved-executive-amnesty-so-far.html
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 @crabbycakes  @TimBurr All I know is that it is one hell of a lot better to venture to MVD to renew your legal license or registration today. No long lines , No interpreter required ($$$)...Nice.
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However not many illegals have valid licenses today as time passes and an IILEGAL not licensed will drive anyway, and why buy insurance as you are already in trouble for not having a valid license to drive...Guess what the drivers flee and are hard to find afterwards...
 @crabbycakes  @TimBurr Someone scurvy enough to invade a country is also scurvy enough to drive around without a license & insurance. Maybe we should stop the scurvy before it appears.
You got that totally backwards.
@crabbycakes crappy...mexicans are NOT Americans they are mexicans. Their loyalty lies with the garbage dump to the south, they are here only to steal what they can and return the the biggest garbage dump in the world.....Yes Flippy Calderone refers to the area in mexico near the border as the worlds largest garbage dump.....you must live there.
 @crabbycakes  @TimBurr So, it's our fault that someone who broke the law to come here in the first place broke the law again by driving without insurance or a license. Is there any personal responsibility involved here, or is that only for people born in the United States?
By the way, I believe the entire state government is taking what's called "Furlough Days". It is by no means limited to the DMV (Although that is the part most of us come into contact with the most often).