White House meeting a last attempt to dodge fiscal cliff

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama was preparing to present a limited fiscal proposal to congressional leaders at a White House meeting Friday, a make-or-break moment for negotiations to avoid across-the-board tax increases and deep spending cuts at the first of the year.
Lawmakers and White House officials held out a slim hope for a deal before the new year, but it remained unclear whether congressional passage of legislation palatable to both sides was even possible.
The Friday afternoon meeting among congressional leaders and the president - their first since Nov. 16 - was likely to center on which income thresholds would face higher tax rates, extending unemployment insurance, and preventing a cut in Medicare payments to doctors, among other issues.
For Obama, the eleventh-hour scramble represented a test of how he would balance strength derived from his re-election against an avowed commitment to compromise in the face of divided government. Despite early talk of a grand bargain between Obama and House Speaker John Boehner that would reduce deficits by more than $2 trillion, the expectations were now far less ambitious.
Although there were no guarantees of a deal, Republicans and Democrats said privately that any agreement would likely include an extension of middle-class tax cuts with increased rates at upper incomes, an Obama priority that was central to his re-election campaign.
A key question was whether Obama would agree to abandon his insistence during the campaign on raising taxes on households earning more than $250,000 a year and instead accept a $400,000 threshold like the one he offered in negotiations with Boehner. Another was whether Republicans would seek a higher income threshold.
The deal would also likely put off the scheduled spending cuts. Such a year-end bill could also include an extension of expiring unemployment benefits, a reprieve for doctors who face a cut in Medicare payments and possibly a short-term measure to prevent dairy prices from soaring, officials said.
If a deal was not possible, it would become evident at Friday's White House meeting, and Obama and the leaders would leave a resolution for the next Congress to address in January.
Such a delay could unnerve the stock market, which edged lower for a fifth day Friday amid worries that lawmakers would fail to reach a budget deal. Economists say that if the tax increases are allowed to hit most Americans and if the spending cuts aren't scaled back, the recovering but fragile economy could sustain a traumatizing shock.
Obama called for the meeting as top lawmakers on Thursday alternately cast blame on each other while portraying themselves as open to a reasonable last-minute bargain.
Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid all but conceded that any effort at this late date was a long shot. "I don't know timewise how it can happen now," he said.
The No. 2 Senate GOP leader, Jon Kyl of Arizona, said it is "pretty unlikely" that Senate Republicans would agree to legislation averting the fiscal cliff if it wouldn't pass muster in the House.
"If you know the House isn't going to do something, why go through the charade?" he told reporters. "That becomes political gamesmanship."
Obama and Reid, D-Nev., would have to propose a package that Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell would agree not to block with procedural steps that require 60 votes to overcome.
Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York said he still thinks a deal could be struck.
The Democrat told NBC's "Today" show Friday that he believes the "odds are better than people think."
Schumer said he based his optimism on indications that McConnell has gotten "actively engaged" in the talks.
Appearing on the same show, Republican Sen. John Thune noted the meeting scheduled later Friday at the White House, saying "it's encouraging that people are talking."
But Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., predicted that "the worst-case scenario" could emerge from Friday's talks.
"We will kick the can down the road," he said on "CBS This Morning."
"We'll do some small deal and we'll create another fiscal cliff to deal with the fiscal cliff," he said. Corker complained that there has been "a total lack of courage, lack of leadership," in Washington.
If a deal were to pass the Senate, Boehner would have to agree to take it to the floor in the Republican-controlled House.
Boehner discussed the fiscal cliff with Republican members in a conference call Thursday and advised them that the House would convene Sunday evening. Rep. Tom Cole, R-Okla., an ally of the speaker, said Boehner told the lawmakers that "he didn't really intend to put on the floor something that would pass with all the Democratic votes and few of the Republican votes."
But Cole did not rule out Republican support for some increase in tax rates, noting that Boehner had amassed about 200 Republican votes for a plan last week to raise rates on Americans earning $1 million or more. Boehner ultimately did not put the plan to a House floor vote in the face of opposition from Republican conservatives and a unified Democratic caucus.
"The ultimate question is whether the Republican leaders in the House and Senate are going to push us over the cliff by blocking plans to extend tax cuts for the middle class," White House communications director Dan Pfeiffer said. "Ironically, in order to protect tax breaks for millionaires, they will be responsible for the largest tax increase in history."
Boehner, McConnell, Reid and House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi are all scheduled to attend Friday's White House meeting with Obama. Vice President Joe Biden will also participate in the meeting, the White House said.
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Associated Press writers Alan Fram, Charles Babington and David Espo contributed to this report.
Lawmakers and White House officials held out a slim hope for a deal before the new year, but it remained unclear whether congressional passage of legislation palatable to both sides was even possible.
The Friday afternoon meeting among congressional leaders and the president - their first since Nov. 16 - was likely to center on which income thresholds would face higher tax rates, extending unemployment insurance, and preventing a cut in Medicare payments to doctors, among other issues.
For Obama, the eleventh-hour scramble represented a test of how he would balance strength derived from his re-election against an avowed commitment to compromise in the face of divided government. Despite early talk of a grand bargain between Obama and House Speaker John Boehner that would reduce deficits by more than $2 trillion, the expectations were now far less ambitious.
Although there were no guarantees of a deal, Republicans and Democrats said privately that any agreement would likely include an extension of middle-class tax cuts with increased rates at upper incomes, an Obama priority that was central to his re-election campaign.
A key question was whether Obama would agree to abandon his insistence during the campaign on raising taxes on households earning more than $250,000 a year and instead accept a $400,000 threshold like the one he offered in negotiations with Boehner. Another was whether Republicans would seek a higher income threshold.
The deal would also likely put off the scheduled spending cuts. Such a year-end bill could also include an extension of expiring unemployment benefits, a reprieve for doctors who face a cut in Medicare payments and possibly a short-term measure to prevent dairy prices from soaring, officials said.
If a deal was not possible, it would become evident at Friday's White House meeting, and Obama and the leaders would leave a resolution for the next Congress to address in January.
Such a delay could unnerve the stock market, which edged lower for a fifth day Friday amid worries that lawmakers would fail to reach a budget deal. Economists say that if the tax increases are allowed to hit most Americans and if the spending cuts aren't scaled back, the recovering but fragile economy could sustain a traumatizing shock.
Obama called for the meeting as top lawmakers on Thursday alternately cast blame on each other while portraying themselves as open to a reasonable last-minute bargain.
Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid all but conceded that any effort at this late date was a long shot. "I don't know timewise how it can happen now," he said.
The No. 2 Senate GOP leader, Jon Kyl of Arizona, said it is "pretty unlikely" that Senate Republicans would agree to legislation averting the fiscal cliff if it wouldn't pass muster in the House.
"If you know the House isn't going to do something, why go through the charade?" he told reporters. "That becomes political gamesmanship."
Obama and Reid, D-Nev., would have to propose a package that Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell would agree not to block with procedural steps that require 60 votes to overcome.
Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York said he still thinks a deal could be struck.
The Democrat told NBC's "Today" show Friday that he believes the "odds are better than people think."
Schumer said he based his optimism on indications that McConnell has gotten "actively engaged" in the talks.
Appearing on the same show, Republican Sen. John Thune noted the meeting scheduled later Friday at the White House, saying "it's encouraging that people are talking."
But Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., predicted that "the worst-case scenario" could emerge from Friday's talks.
"We will kick the can down the road," he said on "CBS This Morning."
"We'll do some small deal and we'll create another fiscal cliff to deal with the fiscal cliff," he said. Corker complained that there has been "a total lack of courage, lack of leadership," in Washington.
If a deal were to pass the Senate, Boehner would have to agree to take it to the floor in the Republican-controlled House.
Boehner discussed the fiscal cliff with Republican members in a conference call Thursday and advised them that the House would convene Sunday evening. Rep. Tom Cole, R-Okla., an ally of the speaker, said Boehner told the lawmakers that "he didn't really intend to put on the floor something that would pass with all the Democratic votes and few of the Republican votes."
But Cole did not rule out Republican support for some increase in tax rates, noting that Boehner had amassed about 200 Republican votes for a plan last week to raise rates on Americans earning $1 million or more. Boehner ultimately did not put the plan to a House floor vote in the face of opposition from Republican conservatives and a unified Democratic caucus.
"The ultimate question is whether the Republican leaders in the House and Senate are going to push us over the cliff by blocking plans to extend tax cuts for the middle class," White House communications director Dan Pfeiffer said. "Ironically, in order to protect tax breaks for millionaires, they will be responsible for the largest tax increase in history."
Boehner, McConnell, Reid and House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi are all scheduled to attend Friday's White House meeting with Obama. Vice President Joe Biden will also participate in the meeting, the White House said.
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Associated Press writers Alan Fram, Charles Babington and David Espo contributed to this report.
Obama's-Cliff...looks like we need to just go over it and let his minions find out how badly they have been duped...although I have my doubts anything can get through their think-skulls.....
Real leaders, lead. Superficial leaders, talk. Or organize communities and then run for the presidency and an easily fooled electorate vote for it.
Well, the Friday afternoon tea came and went. All Obama came up with was his same old plan. Labeled "C" this time. Anyone know what "C" stands for? ;)
@WebFootSTi I'd like to buy a vowel. Can I have a "u"?
@WebFootSTi Cant understand normal thinking?
Elections have consequences. Americans are seing that now and will continue to for the next four years !
 @Rob C 503 The blind who voted for BHO see nothing- that's why they elected him.
 @Julie  @Rob C 503 I don't see how Mitt and Ryan would have made much of a difference....Mitt was clueless when it came to the majority and Ryan...well, he's a big part of the gridlock (freshman tea party congressmen who just say no to everything if they can't have their way).
 @Julie China is where Romney gives jobs.
 @Julie Romney only knew how to make a profit based on breaking up businesses, and shipping jobs overseas.
 @JTesla  @deejm2112 I know....can't say I've done my best thinking with the head on my shoulders....you'd think I'd know better by now.
@deejm2112 It's a trap!
 @Julie  @Rob C 503 Then I guess we'll see you in my dreams ;-)
 @deejm2112  @Rob C 503 Then my answer stands :)
@Julie@Rob C 503
hat's hysterical....it's not what I typed into google which was "then you better get good at f***ing Chinese"..which I can see how that would translate.
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What a train wreck google can be...of course, if your hot then I totally meant the other thing.
 @deejm2112  @Rob C 503 In your dreams.
 @Julie  @Rob C 503 æå¸ææ¯å¥½çï¼é£ä¹ä½ ä»å¦çä¸å½!!!!!!!!!
 @deejm2112  @Rob C 503 Right... and to pay for this responsibility is responsibility of .... China, I guess.
 @Julie  @Rob C 503 Funny thing is, this country is not a business...it's a country with a responsibility to it's citizens, not share holders, that's reserved for businesses.
@deejm2112 .......so keep bowing to your king and as the money sits on the sidelines and people can't find employment, you can take pleasure in your beliefs.
@Julie ....absolutely right, Julie.
 @deejm2112  @Rob C 503 Concerned about economy, then vote for people who know how to make business. Community organizer running the biggest economy in the world has it's shortcomings.
@Julie ........we need to remind ourselves and the legislators...... He was re-elected President..........not King.
 @Rob C 503 I don't think he realized that.
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Might as well be giving the one finger salute along with his look of distain and disgust that he has to go along with.
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A dog and pony show that cut his vacation short.  Â
 @erudite Actually his vacation is going on, just in different location now.
Obama is a failure  no question about it , those who reelected this yahoo might as well just line up for the the koolaid just like in Jones town in the 70s. Because  that is what is happening now. Those yahoos cant see the forest because of the 1 % of the trees they think are the problem.
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Got to punish those evil rich 1% who cares what is happening to the rest. got to tax them more because they are not paying enough on income tax.. (No wait  the investments are what are making their money so it is not wage income, it is investment income rightfully taxed at a lower rate) !!!Â
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The only logical solution for both sides, Dems and the GOP, to get that they want is to go over the cliff. The Dems will get their fair tax increase and the GOP will get their spending cuts.
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In any case, a true leader would understand that the so called 1 % cant foot the bill for the democratic entitlements like Welfare for drug dealers and baby factories. Healthcare fore illegals and those who choose not to work.
@Civ I don't think I will ever participate in a mass suicide.What a ridiculous comparasin
 @noneofyourbizzness  @Civ You symbolically did by voting for Obama( based on you remark ) .The point being the sheep will ALWAYS follow the sheep herder.Â
@Civ I don't consider you to to be a sheep because of your political party or ideology.Thats the beauty of living in a free country.We get to vote for issues that are personally important to us.I do not receive food stamps or have an Obama phone, whatever that is.I don't receive Social Security and have never received any government assistance.I have worked hard my entire adult life.Same job for over 25 years. I guess that puts me in the 47 percent of Americans who Romney referred to as being "leaches on the system." I voted for Obama because of his positions on health care, taxation, women's rights and the environment and gay rights.I don't agree with all of Obama's policies but there is no way in hell that I would vote for today's republican party that has been hijacked by the Religous right.I see the possibility of the republican party being non existent if they continue on with backwards archaic social policies.
 @Ramsesthegreat  @Civ Can you tell me the source of this information?
@Civ So is that why many or most Republicans always believe every piece of garbage that is spewed forth from Fox Noise?
@Civ actually there is no reasonable argument that investment income should be taxed at a lower rate since the only taxes payed on it are the dividends (profit) the initial investment is taxes when earned and never again. Remove income classes and simply tax everything as income at the same rates as currently whether it be earned, investment, or other.
 @Ramsesthegreat  @Civ The argument is that we should not tax investments in our economy. I would advocate taxing every income as income, even if it is re-invested, but only if we implement a just flat tax on all levels of income.
absolute worst President EVER.
@RabidAlley you must have a very short memory since the previous one was FAR, FAR worse.
@Ramsesthegreat  """""you must have a very short memory since the previous one was FAR, FAR worse.""""
Yea, W's average unemployment rate of 5.3% is so much worse than the 8% ave of B HO's term.
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Bronco Bamma has also added MORE to the deficit in less than four years than Bush did in eight.
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 @JTesla  My bad - it really was 7.8, meaning that it really did not change.
@Julie According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics unemployment was 7.8 in January 2009. http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
 @Ramsesthegreat  @deejm2112  @kramr Well, Dow was around 14 before BHO took office and it is 13 now, and that before even adjusting for inflation. Also Stock market gets inflated/deflated and is not a good measure of economy. Much better ones are national debt and import/export ratio and unemployment. BTW, unemployment was below 6% when BHO took office.
 @Julie  @Ramsesthegreat  @kramr That's because Faux News doesn't report on anything positive. Things are VASTLY improved since Bush left office...stock market, unemployment, my 401K....you know...just about everything.
 @Julie  @deejm2112  @kramr Really? No economic improvement? So the stock market is still around 7k? Businesses are still closing their doors at record numbers, and the unemployment rate is still near 10%? I think you're not seeing economic recovery because you REFUSE to see economic recovery because it doesn't fit with what you want to believe.
 @deejm2112  @Ramsesthegreat  @kramr Is that what your psychic telling you? Because with no magic help I do not see economy improving and I see government spending increase.
 @Julie  @Ramsesthegreat  @kramr There will be a natural reduction in debt as the economy improves, that alone would reduce some deficit.
 @Ramsesthegreat  @kramr The numbers you quote do not include the the gross federal debt, which is much higher because a substantial amount of federal borrowing is not counted in the budget. The more realistic numbers are:
Gross Federal Debt: $17.5 trillion
Debt Held by Public: $10.6 trillion
Debt Held by Federal Reserve:$2.1 trillion
Source: http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_debt_chart.html
@kramr lol, is that why the annual deficit when he took office was 1.47 trillion and is now just under 1.1 trillion? Seems he was left with an out of control budget from the previous administration and is slowly bringing it back down. And the only reason The deficit under bush wasn't double was due to keeping the wars off them. Had the accounting under his administration been accurate we would be well over 20 trillion in debt today.
 @Ramsesthegreat  @RabidAlley GW wasn't perfect and he did some things I didn't agree with but at least he loves our country and doesn't hate the rich.
 @Ramsesthegreat  @JTesla Yep, they gave it a name.... and few additional rights, like to detain terror suspects indefinitely with no real definition what is 'terror'.
@Ramsesthegreat Sorry, I should have been more specific... Sections 1021 and 1022 of the NDAA signed in 2011 for the 2012 fiscal year.
 @JTesla NDAA has been implemented for far longer than the last 2 years. It's been a part of every congressional budget since the 70s, the only reason it's gotten recognition now is due to the fact that they gave it a name.
@Ramsesthegreat We can start with the NDAA, then move on to the extension of the Patriot Act.
@JTesla I do have to ask what liberties has the Obama Administration trampled on?
@kramr you're partly correct, it was started under Clinton and expanded under Bush. It was however, Alan Greenspan that said that the government should have a hands off approach to regulation and should allow banks to do as they wish with other people's money. And as for the Bush tax cuts, they did nothing to help the poor because the whole purpose of them was to boost the economy, and as every economist worth anything said when they were signed, they would do nothing but aid the wealthy, and it was shown to be true. Those tax cut did zero to aid the economy. Economic growth is not achieved through tax cuts that primarily aid the riches among us. It is achieved by increasing demand, which means a lower and middle class with more expendable income since they are the comsumer classes of the world.
 @JTesla  @kramr  @Ramsesthegreat The real trophy goes to American public for electing outstanding politicians.
@kramr @Ramsesthegreat You know with all the spending and trampling on liberties⦠Iâm having a tough time telling the policies of one apart from the policies of the other. How about we treat Bush and Obama like kids and give them each a trophy?
@Ramsesthegreat  """""oversaw the deregulation of the financial sector leading to a total economic collapse."""""
I know the left doesn't like a little thing like the facts get in the way of a good rant....... but, the vast majority of the financial deregulation was during the clinton years especially the repeal of Glass/Stegal
""""""Â Bush loves the rich and proved it numerous times, instead he hates the poor and again proved it."""""
Bush cut the lower tax rates (i.e. the poor) by 33% but only cut the upper tax rates by 10%...... seems to me Bush helped the poor much more than the rich.
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@RabidAlley yeah Bush loves the rich and proved it numerous times, instead he hates the poor and again proved it. And you're right, he loves his country so much he oversaw the deregulation of the financial sector leading to a total economic collapse.
 @Ramsesthegreat  @RabidAlley He was terrible, this one's worse.
@RabidAlley But the best gun salesman Ever!
 @flyroy  @RabidAlley Yep, totally agree.