With second term, Obama now facing new urgent task
WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama faces a new urgent task now that he has a second term, working with a status-quo Congress to address an impending financial crisis that economists say could send the country back into recession.
"You made your voice heard," Obama said in his acceptance speech, signaling that he believes the bulk of the country is behind his policies. It's a sticking point for House Republicans, sure to balk at that.
The same voters who gave Obama four more years in office also elected a divided Congress, sticking with the dynamic that has made it so hard for the president to advance his agenda. Democrats retained control of the Senate; Republicans kept their House majority.
House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, spoke of a dual mandate. "If there is a mandate, it is a mandate for both parties to find common ground and take steps together to help our economy grow and create jobs," he said.
Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky had a more harsh assessment.
"The voters have not endorsed the failures or excesses of the president's first term," McConnell said. "They have simply given him more time to finish the job they asked him to do together" with a balanced Congress.
Obama's more narrow victory was nothing like the jubilant celebration in 2008, when his hope-and-change election as the nation's first black president captivated the world. This time, Obama ground it out with a stay-the-course pitch that essentially boiled down to a plea for more time to make things right and a hope that Congress will be more accommodating than in the past.
The most pressing challenges immediately ahead for the 44th president are all too familiar: an economy still baby-stepping its way toward full health; 23 million people out of work or in search of better jobs; civil war in Syria; a menacing standoff over Iran's nuclear program.
Sharp differences with Republicans in Congress on taxes, spending, deficit reduction, immigration and more await. While Republicans control the House, Democrats have at least 53 votes in the Senate and Republicans 45. One newly elected independent isn't saying which party he'll side with, and North Dakota's race not yet called.
Votes also were being counted Wednesday in the Montana and Washington gubernatorial races.
Obama's list of promises to keep includes many holdovers he was unable to deliver on in his first term, such as rolling back tax cuts for upper-income people, overhauling immigration policy and reducing federal deficits. Six in 10 voters said in exit polls that taxes should be increased, and nearly half of voters said taxes should be increased on incomes over $250,000, as Obama has called for.
"It's very clear from the exit polling that a majority of Americans recognize that we need to share responsibility for reducing the deficit," Maryland Rep. Chris Van Hollen, the top Democrat on the House Budget Committee, told CNN. "That means asking higher-income earners to contribute more to reducing the deficit."
But Sara Taylor Fagen, who served as political director in President George W. Bush's second term, warned the current White House to pay heed to the closely divided electorate, a lesson her party learned after 2004. With more than 90 percent of precincts reporting, the popular vote went 50 percent for Obama to 48.4 percent for Romney,
"It'll be interesting if the Obama team misinterprets the size of their victory," Fagen said. "I think if you look back at history, we pushed Social Security and the Congress wasn't ready for that and wasn't going to do it. And had President Bush gone after immigration, we may be sitting in a very different position as a party."
Obama predicted in the waning days of the campaign that his victory would motivate Republicans to make a deal on immigration policy next year to make up for having "so alienated the fastest-growing demographic group in the country, the Latino community."
Former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour agreed that a lesson of 2012 is for his Republican Party to change the party's approach on immigration.
"Republicans say, 'We don't want to reward people for breaking the law,'" Barbour told CBS. "The way we need to look at it is, how are we going to grow the American economy and where does our immigration policy fit into that?"
Even before Obama gets to his second inaugural on Jan. 20, he must deal with the threatened "fiscal cliff." A combination of automatic tax increases and steep across-the-board spending cuts are set to take effect in January if Washington doesn't quickly reach a budget deal. Experts have warned that the economy could tip back into recession without an agreement.
Newly elected Democrats signaled they want compromise to avoid the fiscal cliff.
Sen.-elect Tim Kaine, a former Virginia governor who defeated Republican George Allen, said on NBC's "Today" show that voters sent a message they want "cooperative government." But he also says the election results show that the public doesn't want "all the levers in one party's hands" on Capitol Hill.
From Massachusetts, Elizabeth Warren said on "CBS This Morning" that those who voted for her opponent, Republican Sen. Scott Brown, expressed a desire for lawmakers to work together. She says: "I heard that loud and clear."
Obama repeated his campaign slogan of moving "forward" repeatedly in a victory speech early Wednesday in his hometown of Chicago.
"We will disagree, sometimes fiercely, about how to get there," he said. "As it has for more than two centuries, progress will come in fits and starts. It's not always a straight line. It's not always a smooth path. By itself, the recognition that we have common hopes and dreams won't end all the gridlock, or solve all our problems, or substitute for the painstaking work of building consensus, and making the difficult compromises needed to move this country forward. But that common bond is where we must begin."
Former Obama adviser Anita Dunn told "CBS This Morning" that the president made it clear in his acceptance speech that he will be reaching out, and she warned GOP House leaders, representing Ohio, Virginia and Wisconsin, to keep in mind that their voters also wanted to keep Obama.
"Clearly there's a lot of momentum and a lot of incentive for people to work together to really find answers to the challenges," she said.
The vanquished Republican, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, tried to set a more conciliatory tone on the way off the stage.
"At a time like this, we can't risk partisan bickering," Romney said after a campaign filled with it. "Our leaders have to reach across the aisle to do the people's work."
Obama won at least 303 electoral votes to 206 for Romney, with 270 needed for victory, and had a near-sweep of the nine most hotly contested states.
Obama's re-election means his signature health care overhaul will endure, as will the Wall Street overhaul enacted after the economic meltdown. The drawdown of troops in Afghanistan will continue apace. With an aging roster of justices, the president probably will have at least one more nomination to the Supreme Court.
A second term is sure to produce turnover in his Cabinet. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has made it clear he wants to leave at the end of Obama's first term but is expected to remain in the post until a successor is confirmed. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama's rival for the presidency four years ago, is ready to leave. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta isn't expected to stay on.
Some Americans were hopeful for progress in Obama's second term.
"He may not have done a great job in my mind but I kinda trust him," Jerry Shul said Wednesday morning in New York's Times Square. "And I feel like he's gonna keep trying and I feel like when people keep trying in you favor things work out. I have faith in him, I have faith he will get with the Republicans and get something done."
Elsewhere on the ballot, voters in Maine and Maryland became the first to approve same-sex marriage by popular vote while Washington state and Colorado legalized recreational use of marijuana.
Obama claimed at least seven of the nine swing states, most notably Ohio, seen as the big prize. He also prevailed in Iowa, New Hampshire, Colorado, Nevada, Virginia and Wisconsin. Romney got North Carolina.
Florida was too close to call Wednesday morning. The unofficial count had Obama with a 46,000-vote lead, but Florida historically has left as many as 5 percent of its votes uncounted until after Election Day.
Overall, Obama won 25 states and the District of Columbia. Romney won 24 states.
It was a more measured victory than four years ago, when Obama claimed 365 electoral votes to Arizona Sen. John McCain's 173, and won 53 percent of the popular vote.
Preliminary figures indicate fewer people participated this time. Associated Press figures showed that about 118 million people had voted in the White House race, but that number will rise as more votes are counted. In 2008, 131 million people voted, according to the Federal Election Commission.
"You made your voice heard," Obama said in his acceptance speech, signaling that he believes the bulk of the country is behind his policies. It's a sticking point for House Republicans, sure to balk at that.
The same voters who gave Obama four more years in office also elected a divided Congress, sticking with the dynamic that has made it so hard for the president to advance his agenda. Democrats retained control of the Senate; Republicans kept their House majority.
House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, spoke of a dual mandate. "If there is a mandate, it is a mandate for both parties to find common ground and take steps together to help our economy grow and create jobs," he said.
Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky had a more harsh assessment.
"The voters have not endorsed the failures or excesses of the president's first term," McConnell said. "They have simply given him more time to finish the job they asked him to do together" with a balanced Congress.
Obama's more narrow victory was nothing like the jubilant celebration in 2008, when his hope-and-change election as the nation's first black president captivated the world. This time, Obama ground it out with a stay-the-course pitch that essentially boiled down to a plea for more time to make things right and a hope that Congress will be more accommodating than in the past.
The most pressing challenges immediately ahead for the 44th president are all too familiar: an economy still baby-stepping its way toward full health; 23 million people out of work or in search of better jobs; civil war in Syria; a menacing standoff over Iran's nuclear program.
Sharp differences with Republicans in Congress on taxes, spending, deficit reduction, immigration and more await. While Republicans control the House, Democrats have at least 53 votes in the Senate and Republicans 45. One newly elected independent isn't saying which party he'll side with, and North Dakota's race not yet called.
Votes also were being counted Wednesday in the Montana and Washington gubernatorial races.
Obama's list of promises to keep includes many holdovers he was unable to deliver on in his first term, such as rolling back tax cuts for upper-income people, overhauling immigration policy and reducing federal deficits. Six in 10 voters said in exit polls that taxes should be increased, and nearly half of voters said taxes should be increased on incomes over $250,000, as Obama has called for.
"It's very clear from the exit polling that a majority of Americans recognize that we need to share responsibility for reducing the deficit," Maryland Rep. Chris Van Hollen, the top Democrat on the House Budget Committee, told CNN. "That means asking higher-income earners to contribute more to reducing the deficit."
But Sara Taylor Fagen, who served as political director in President George W. Bush's second term, warned the current White House to pay heed to the closely divided electorate, a lesson her party learned after 2004. With more than 90 percent of precincts reporting, the popular vote went 50 percent for Obama to 48.4 percent for Romney,
"It'll be interesting if the Obama team misinterprets the size of their victory," Fagen said. "I think if you look back at history, we pushed Social Security and the Congress wasn't ready for that and wasn't going to do it. And had President Bush gone after immigration, we may be sitting in a very different position as a party."
Obama predicted in the waning days of the campaign that his victory would motivate Republicans to make a deal on immigration policy next year to make up for having "so alienated the fastest-growing demographic group in the country, the Latino community."
Former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour agreed that a lesson of 2012 is for his Republican Party to change the party's approach on immigration.
"Republicans say, 'We don't want to reward people for breaking the law,'" Barbour told CBS. "The way we need to look at it is, how are we going to grow the American economy and where does our immigration policy fit into that?"
Even before Obama gets to his second inaugural on Jan. 20, he must deal with the threatened "fiscal cliff." A combination of automatic tax increases and steep across-the-board spending cuts are set to take effect in January if Washington doesn't quickly reach a budget deal. Experts have warned that the economy could tip back into recession without an agreement.
Newly elected Democrats signaled they want compromise to avoid the fiscal cliff.
Sen.-elect Tim Kaine, a former Virginia governor who defeated Republican George Allen, said on NBC's "Today" show that voters sent a message they want "cooperative government." But he also says the election results show that the public doesn't want "all the levers in one party's hands" on Capitol Hill.
From Massachusetts, Elizabeth Warren said on "CBS This Morning" that those who voted for her opponent, Republican Sen. Scott Brown, expressed a desire for lawmakers to work together. She says: "I heard that loud and clear."
Obama repeated his campaign slogan of moving "forward" repeatedly in a victory speech early Wednesday in his hometown of Chicago.
"We will disagree, sometimes fiercely, about how to get there," he said. "As it has for more than two centuries, progress will come in fits and starts. It's not always a straight line. It's not always a smooth path. By itself, the recognition that we have common hopes and dreams won't end all the gridlock, or solve all our problems, or substitute for the painstaking work of building consensus, and making the difficult compromises needed to move this country forward. But that common bond is where we must begin."
Former Obama adviser Anita Dunn told "CBS This Morning" that the president made it clear in his acceptance speech that he will be reaching out, and she warned GOP House leaders, representing Ohio, Virginia and Wisconsin, to keep in mind that their voters also wanted to keep Obama.
"Clearly there's a lot of momentum and a lot of incentive for people to work together to really find answers to the challenges," she said.
The vanquished Republican, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, tried to set a more conciliatory tone on the way off the stage.
"At a time like this, we can't risk partisan bickering," Romney said after a campaign filled with it. "Our leaders have to reach across the aisle to do the people's work."
Obama won at least 303 electoral votes to 206 for Romney, with 270 needed for victory, and had a near-sweep of the nine most hotly contested states.
Obama's re-election means his signature health care overhaul will endure, as will the Wall Street overhaul enacted after the economic meltdown. The drawdown of troops in Afghanistan will continue apace. With an aging roster of justices, the president probably will have at least one more nomination to the Supreme Court.
A second term is sure to produce turnover in his Cabinet. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has made it clear he wants to leave at the end of Obama's first term but is expected to remain in the post until a successor is confirmed. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama's rival for the presidency four years ago, is ready to leave. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta isn't expected to stay on.
Some Americans were hopeful for progress in Obama's second term.
"He may not have done a great job in my mind but I kinda trust him," Jerry Shul said Wednesday morning in New York's Times Square. "And I feel like he's gonna keep trying and I feel like when people keep trying in you favor things work out. I have faith in him, I have faith he will get with the Republicans and get something done."
Elsewhere on the ballot, voters in Maine and Maryland became the first to approve same-sex marriage by popular vote while Washington state and Colorado legalized recreational use of marijuana.
Obama claimed at least seven of the nine swing states, most notably Ohio, seen as the big prize. He also prevailed in Iowa, New Hampshire, Colorado, Nevada, Virginia and Wisconsin. Romney got North Carolina.
Florida was too close to call Wednesday morning. The unofficial count had Obama with a 46,000-vote lead, but Florida historically has left as many as 5 percent of its votes uncounted until after Election Day.
Overall, Obama won 25 states and the District of Columbia. Romney won 24 states.
It was a more measured victory than four years ago, when Obama claimed 365 electoral votes to Arizona Sen. John McCain's 173, and won 53 percent of the popular vote.
Preliminary figures indicate fewer people participated this time. Associated Press figures showed that about 118 million people had voted in the White House race, but that number will rise as more votes are counted. In 2008, 131 million people voted, according to the Federal Election Commission.
Obamas need to reign in on their personal spending sprees, such as too many vacations, and first lady's 40+ personal personnel. Barbara Bush only needed one. If they cannot control their personal spending, how are they supposed to get America's deficit under control? This is what I do not understand. Will President Obama start using America's own oil this time, or will he make us pay (support) importing foreign oils? It is redonkulous when we have billions of barrels of untapped oil resources in Montana, and other states. Keep our money in America as much as possible. Please help me understand the reasoning. We have enough oil in America to last at least 2,000 years. What are we waiting for?
Welcome to the new and improved 4 years of the last 4 years. First thing obozo is going to do is make his world apology tour again, letting everyone know how brutish and ogreish America is. He will no longer have any need for congress or the supreme court, because he will just use his executive orders to bypass them. He will continue the gutting and emasculation on the military that he started in his first term. He is bound and determined to tax the pi$$ out of people. Rationed health care. Attempting to stifle free speech. More job killing regulations. 4+ more years of chronically high unemployment. Double, possibly triple, digit inflation. $8.00 a gallon gas. Basically, there is nothing that will stop obozo from literally destroying this country now. He has openly shown his disdain for this country, and the constitution, yet you starry-eyed fools voted him in for 4 more years.Â
Urgent new task.......Deport anyone in the US illegally.....The "hispanics" aka mexicans are telling obama that he owes them.....I agree its called deportation.
 @FreerideNOT Yawn.
Here they come mulato freeride, here they come. Be afraid mulato freeride. Be very afraid
@usa2swimpattycrabby Sorry not afraid at all, I have dispatched before and am willing to do it again. I have no qualms at all about sending one to meet their maker if I can legally justify it.
Hey Playenekes, don't worry, free just got done with a long nite of playing halo, he's still dream'n about being a super hero ! I think his mom called him up from the beasment...."pizzas done" !
If memory serves me right that person you dispatched was your dad wasn't it? Why didn't you blame your mom?Â
@Playanekes you really should seek specialised assistance for your shortcomings at the Oregon State Hospital.
@Playanekes not threatening to kill anyone in particular. Did I use the word kill or is that your words. What would you do if someone attempts to kill you or another innocent person? I gather from your stupid reaction you have no military/police or govt. background.
@FreerideNOT who, exactly, are you threatening to kill?
Now that the election is over, can we just move on to make this country what it used to be: the best in the world? Labels on politicians are just that, labels. We are all Americans first; let's get on with recovering our destiny! Â
 @jpk Nope. Nothing is going to change. The people still voted in the same do-nothings into Congress all over again. It should have been a complete flush and sterilization of the entire legislative body, but the population still keeps repeating their same mistakes year after year after year. I guess DWTS, Survivor and all the other crapertainment are just too important for citizens to pay attention to their government. After all, ya gotta have priorities! :-P
What urgent new task? He's got four more years to run things his way without having to worry about re-election!
2008 Obama election - stocks drop 5%
2012 Obama election - stocks drop 2%
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Gluttons for punishment we are.
 @TimBurr Unfortunately some will say that's a sign things are getting better...
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My cousin actually said to me yesterday:
"When I heard Romney was going to stop allowing abortion even for rape and incest and not give women free contraception, I decided I couldn't vote for him."Â
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Votes for Obama....
Black 18-29 year olds 91%
Black 39-44 year olds: Â Â 94%
Black 45-64 year olds: Â Â 93%
Blacks > 65 years old: 93%
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But that's not racist. Only white people can be racist.
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 @fweep Everyone's racist to one degree or another.
Some try to be better, some don't.
Life's a beach...then the tide comes in.
From July 2008 to December 2008........stock market dropped 33%
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Hmmmmm, who was prez....A REPUBLICON !
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 @sargerator Frank & Dodd's housing bubble finally burst.
 @sargerator You are a slobbering pig.
Guess that about sums it up.
You wouldnt know the truth if it bit you in your fat lazy arse.
 @Max Quinn  @sargerator The housing bubble collapse took place between 2007-2009 after the Freddie, Fannie, Frank, Dodd, "low income", subprime, false triple-A menagerie caused an increase in foreclosure rates in 2006â2007.
Yep !
timmybur does it again. Awesome representative of the pube party
As one of your gods said, "there you go again"...
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Please, PLEASE, do a google, you throw out garbage non facts !
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The United States housing bubble is an economic bubble affecting many parts of the United States housing market in over half of American states. Housing prices peaked in early 2006, started to decline in 2006 and 2007, and reached new lows in 2012.[1] On December 30, 2008 the Case-Shiller home price index reported its largest price drop in its history
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As for dodd or frank, they had nothing to do with an APPOINTED regulatory commision..please , look that up to, it was gdbya that cut sec's funding, told the fbi to back off investigating cdo's and other bundled toxins.
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And if you REALLY want to know haow it began...google...yes, google...
When glass-steagall act was repealed
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Hint...senator gramm, senator leach and senator bliley, all republiCONs that wrote the replacement act for glass - steagall
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 @TimBurr  @sargerator You know literally zero about the housing bubble. You know nothing about the mortgage-backed securities market. You know nothing about the ratings agencies. You don't know that prices started to decline in 2006. You don't know that the bubble was fueled by refinance loans (70% of the loans were re-fis) and Fannie, Freddy, the Community Reinvestment Act had nothing to do with refinances.
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That's all just the starting point for everything you don't know about the housing bubble. Like I said, Timmy gets his basic facts wrong again.... Makes it easier to be paranoid, I guess.
 @TimBurr  @sargerator Whoops, Timmy gets basic facts wrong again! Dems didn't take over Congress until 2007 - the bubble started about 6 years prior to that.
God help us. George Soros' puppet jackass is in for another 4 years. Be ready to defend your second ammendment rights. Soros' got his wish for pot to be legal in Wa. and Co. Watch out Oregon because you're next, along with same sex marriages. Soros is Russian-born, so Obamas open-mike comment of more flexibility after being re-elected may have meant more than you think.
 @Bdou You sound like the idiots k-kawing the same pap 4 years ago. "Obama's gonna take away your guns! Oh me, oh my!" And golly gee whiz...it never happened. You were probably one of those kids who, when told the stove burner was hot, just HAD to put your hand on there and find out...at least two or three times.
@ Mikey.....            screw you. I'm probably twice your age and a lot smarter than you think, but I'm not gonna waste any more of my time arguing with a twit like you. Go call your mother names.
refer madness hey ??
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 @Bdou Soros was born in Hungary, goofball.
@ Max Quinn. Go take a dive before you call me a goofball just because I got his country wrong. Facts are facts.
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Right.... Communism taught him all about currency markets. And it hasn't been "inbred" for decades - it ended decades ago. Not to mention that he left the country in 1947 which is the exact year the Communists took the country over.
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There's this thing called Wikipedia - when you are at a total loss for facts, you should check it out. It's a good starting place.
Oh boy, rob c needs to join timbur. True pubes! These guys are like the murdock and akin pair. Wonderful.
@Max Quinn .......where communism has been inbred for decades and comrade Soros learned it well
@Rob C 503...Thank you.
@Rob C 503 Russia or Hungary? Which is it? Canada or America...gee, what's the difference? My Hungarian friend would punch you out for calling him a Russian, or even "comrade."
 @Rob C 503 Rob, very naive, have you ever met anyone from Hungary?
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Soros is a classic sociopath, no empathy (my personal belief is that many wealthy are sociopaths as they don't care who they hurt or how they do it to accumulate their wealth),
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I have friends in Hungary and I'll tell you, they are most down to earth nicest folks you'll ever meet, very humble with a true appreciation for what they gained once communism fell....and the chicks, wow, amazingly hot without the high maintenance American chick attitude.
 @Bdou Yes, God help us from nutjobs like you.
pdxd I'm no nut job. You know everything I said was true. You're not smart enough to accept it Besides I'm entitled to my opinion just like everyone else who makes a comment on a news item. You can believe what you think just as I can believe what I want.
@Playanekes    I didn't tell you any thing. If you can't make a civil comment, then shut the hell up.
@Bdou I didn't vote for Obama, but, seriously. You sound like a nut job. The word is Amendment. Those of us who care about the Constitution enough to have read it in print have learned to spell the word through simple familiarity. You people told us he was going to abolish the 2nd Amendment as soon as he took office in 2008. Black helicopter nut job stuff.
 @deejm2112 High-Five!
 @Bdou Well thank you, you too.
@ deejm21112 & pdxd.......Have a nice day.
 @Bdou Sorros and nut-jobs in the same thread....like chocolate and peanut butter.
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That aside, same sex marriage does not threaten this country in any way, and although my jury is out on pot legalization, it will save millions and allow LE to focus on more important crimes (you know...stuff like the "rape thing"), etc....done properly it will fill in much needed revenue. Also, a little part of me is looking forward to heading to WA to legally buy it but I think my head still a little foggy from the bong resin filled high school days (long time ago but I did a lot).
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 @pdxd Okay, okay, let me re-phrase, alleged nutjobs, because in my opinion, I believe you're a nut job if you think that Obama wants to hand the country to Russia
OK...it's another day, a winner has been named, and here we are again still going at it....guess nothing changes (aside from KHEBS crazy biased non-sensical rants which I don't miss although he gets a A++ for his ability to put Bhengazi in any story no matter what it's about).
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So lets talk 2016! Hillary! YEAH!!!!!!!
@deejm2112 Wait for it: Hillary+2016 = Bhengazi! Personally, I'm hoping that both sides come up with something different, but then I don't belong to either side so it's easy for me to hope for that.
 @JTesla  @deejm2112 I try not to pick sides but the right has gone so far right that I feel like moving to the left, otherwise the boat will flip.
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Iâm with you in that boat.    I am fiscally conservative.   I believe in the body of the 10 commandments; Reduced it looks something like the âgolden ruleâ; do unto others as you would have them do to you.    I believe in capital punishment for capital crimes.   *The risk of executing an innocent in todayâs world with DNA evidence is or should be zero.*     I believe in small effective government.    I expect government to enable society; I do not expect government to 'control' society.    I have to have a balanced budget, I expect people that manage our tax money to have one too.     I am spiritual not religious.  I donât want religion spoon fed into my home.   I believe we have to be responsible for ourselves; I support safety nets I can afford.  (I canât carry xx on my back for long.)     I expect the buck to stop somewhere.  I expect honesty.
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And, Iâm with you, I think that the ârightâ has gone too far; forcing too many ânon-governing viewsâ down our throat:Â Â God and abortion easily come to mind.Â
 @deejm2112 Yeah, we don't want to capsize the USS Constitution, we need to keep approximately the same number of people on both sides, with more in the middle to keep the boat steady. Great analogy!
@JTesla sorry, you just don't have that "flashy-crazy" style kreb pours out onto these pages !
 @sargerator I kind of miss him, I hope his brian didn't spontaneously combust, I mean, where'd all the entertainment be? Oh wait, we still got sortbait, ralphie, and lastboyscout, oh and the occasional english daisy and miss lissa