Pot votes in Washington, Colorado challenge US drug war
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DENVER (AP) — First came marijuana as medicine. Now comes legal pot for the people.
Those who have argued for decades that legalizing and taxing weed would be better than a costly, failed U.S. drug war have their chance to prove it, as Colorado and Washington became the first states to allow pot for recreational use.
While the measures earned support from broad swaths of the electorate in both states Tuesday, they are likely to face resistance from federal drug warriors. As of Wednesday, authorities did not say whether they would challenge the new laws.
Pot advocates say a fight is exactly what they want.
"I think we are at a tipping point on marijuana policy," said Brian Vicente, co-author of Colorado's marijuana measure. "We are going to see whether marijuana prohibition survives, or whether we should try a new and more sensible approach."
Soon after the measures passed, cheering people poured out of bars in Denver, the tangy scent of pot filling the air, and others in Seattle lit up in celebration.
Authorities in Colorado, however, urged caution. "Federal law still says marijuana is an illegal drug, so don't break out the Cheetos or Goldfish too quickly," said Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper, who opposed the measure.
As the initial celebration dies down and the process to implement the laws progresses over the next year, other states and countries will be watching to see if the measures can both help reduce money going to drug cartels and raise it for governments.
Governments in Latin America where drugs are produced for the U.S. market were largely quiet about the measures, but the main adviser to Mexico's president-elect said the new laws will force the U.S. and his country to reassess how they fight cross-border pot smuggling.
Analysts said that there would likely be an impact on cartels in Mexico that send pot to the U.S., but differed on how soon and how much.
Both measures call for the drug to be heavily taxed, with the profits headed to state coffers. Colorado would devote the potential tax revenue first to school construction, while Washington's sends pot taxes to an array of health programs.
Estimates vary widely on how much they would raise. Colorado officials anticipate somewhere between $5 million and $22 million a year. Washington analysts estimated legal pot could produce nearly $2 billion over five years.
Both state estimates came with big caveats: The current illegal marijuana market is hard to gauge and any revenue would be contingent upon federal authorities allowing commercial pot sales in the first place, something that is very much still in question.
Both measures remove criminal penalties for adults over 21 possessing small amounts of the drug — the boldest rejection of pot prohibition laws passed across the country in the 1930s.
Pot has come a long way since. In the 1960s, it was a counterculture fixture. In 1971, President Richard Nixon declared the War on Drugs. Twenty-five years later, California approved medical marijuana. Now, 17 states and Washington, D.C., allow it.
Meanwhile, many more cities either took pot possession crimes off the books or directed officers to make marijuana arrests a low priority.
On Tuesday night, broad sections of the electorate in Colorado and Washington backed the measures, some because they thought the drug war had failed and others because they viewed potential revenue as a boon for their states in lean times. A similar measure in Oregon failed.
"People think little old ladies with glaucoma should be able to use marijuana. This is different. This is a step further than anything we have seen to date," said Sam Kamin, a University of Denver law professor who has studied the history of pot prohibition.
The Justice Department says it is evaluating the measures. When California was considering legalization in 2010, Attorney General Eric Holder said it would be a "significant impediment" to joint federal and local efforts to combat drug traffickers.
Federal agents have cracked down on medical pot dispensaries in states where it is legal, including California and Washington. Individual pot users may not be immediately impacted, as authorities have long focused on dismantling trafficking operations.
Peter Bensinger, administrator of the Drug Enforcement Administration from 1976 to 1981, and other former DEA heads urged Holder to make more noise this year about the pot votes. Colorado was a critical state for President Barack Obama's re-election.
Now, he said, "I can't see the Justice Department doing anything other than enforce the law. There's no other out."
Brian Smith of the Washington State Liquor Control Board, which will implement the new law, said officials are waiting anxiously to find out what federal law enforcement authorities plan to do. "They have been silent," Smith said.
Both states will have about a year to come up with rules for their legal pot systems.
In Mexico, which produces much of the pot that gets into the U.S. and where cartels and the government are embroiled in a yearslong deadly battle, the man in charge of Enrique Pena Nieto's presidential transition said the administration opposed legalization.
"These important modifications change somewhat the rules of the games in the relationship with the United States," Luis Videgaray told Radio Formula.
A former high-ranking official in the country's internal intelligence service who has studied the potential effects of legalization said he was optimistic that the measures would damage the cartels, possibly cutting profits from $6 billion to $4.6 billion.
Alejandro Hope, now an analyst at the think tank Mexican Competitiveness Institute, said among the complicating factors could be whether a strong U.S. crackdown on legal pot could negate all but the smallest effects on the cartels.
In Seattle, John Davis, a medical marijuana provider, called passage of the state's measure "a significant movement in the right direction." But he said he expected some confrontation with federal authorities.
"This law does not prevent conflicts," he said, adding that its passage "will highlight the necessity to find some kind of resolution between state and federal laws."
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Associated Press writers Nicholas K. Geranios in Seattle, Pete Yost and Alicia Caldwell in Washington, and Michael Weissenstein in Mexico City contributed to this report.
"Pot votes in Washington, Colorado challenge US war on it's people"Â There fixed the title for ya katu.
Since stoned drivers are such a concern.. Heres some facts. There are about 17,000 auto deaths related to alcohol each year. The number related to marijuana is speculative, at best.The reason is simple, alcohol seriously destroys motor coordination. Marijuana typically does not in experienced users.For example, in 1980, Road and Track magazine did an article titled "Puff, the Dangerous Driver". They took two groups of people. They gave one group alcohol and the other group marijuana. Then they had them drive a closed course. The alcohol drinkers got steadily worse at the course as the dose increased. Before long, they were off the road. The pot smokers got progressively better at the course. Pot causes changes to perception but experienced users can effectively understand and compensate for those changes. The research in general shows that there is no clear determination for the number of accidents that are caused by marijuana because there is no clear way to determine when someone is stoned. Experienced users can take quite large doses and still function normally on controlled tests. The only reliable way to tell if an experienced user is stoned is to ask them. There is even some evidence to indicate that pot smokers may be slightly safer than non-smokers because they tend to overcompensate for safety. (This should not be taken as recommending that anyone smoke pot while driving. It can be safely assumed that most people will do their best driving when completely sober.)(Note that this applies to experienced users. Novices often suffer bigger disorientation because they are unfamiliar with its effects).Miore information on drugs and driving can be found athttp://druglibrary.org/schaffer/MISC/driâ¦The major government commission reports on marijuana have also studied the issue and -- while they recommend caution -- they found that there was no conclusive evidence that marijuana was a significant hazard on the road. Seehttp://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Librâ¦
It's funny, when they were trying to privatize liquor sales the opposition cried "THE CHILDERE!!!,,, THE CHILDREN!!!!,,,Oh, The POOR CHILDREN!!!!!!. But for the legalization of pot,,,, not a dickybird. I guess they figure it's OK for the kids to smoke pot so long as they don't do it while intoxicated. (yes I know, repost)
 @oodathunked Much better than having your kidneys fail from smoking bath salts. Harm reduction would be making it legal so kids don't seek out those harsh chemicals. So yes.. This is for the kiddos and a secure financial future in the long run.
The people voted now the feds need to back off and listen to the PEOPLE.
@LostSoul The feds dont represent the people... they represent the corporations that require cannabis to be illegal.
Great-two branches of government gearing up for a court battle in front of a 3rd branch. I am sure both sides have vowed to fight to the last tax dollar to win their case.
"In Mexico, which produces much of the pot that gets into the U.S"
No one in Oregon or Washington gets their pot from Mexico. It is known as dirt weed and I haven't seen it around for at least 20 years.
 Most responsible recreational users have created  tight circles of friends who don't push, are not looking to expand and just charge enough to cover expenses. They will never be able to crack those circles and stop it completely.
 Like it or not responsible recreational users are all around you. We are your friends, family members and co-workers. We own businesses, own our own homes, able to keep good jobs and raise good families. But most of you will never know of our use, we don't tell most of the people around us. We have to stay further in the closet then homosexuals in fear of losing our jobs, our children and our standings in the community. You will never hear our stories in the media, they only like to picture the most nutty looking supporters with their news stories or criminals who are users.
 People who are against legalization all seem to have a deep rooted hate who don't hesitate to resort to name calling and using stereotypes and never have any facts to back up their argument. Their only motive appears to be the need to have someone to put down and feel superior to.
 The only time I've seen pot ruin lives is from the penalties of getting caught with or using it by the police or failing a drug test at work.
For some relevant facts from U.S. History: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repeal_of_Prohibition
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Franklin D. Roosevelt won the 1932 Presidential election, in large part, due to promise to repeal prohibition.
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If the repeal of marijuana prohibition is not an issue in the 2016 election, it will most certainly be by the 2020 election.
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Can't you see it now? The recovery of the economy... via marijuana.
@starshadow super reply, whoops!
@starshadow Lets not give credit to Randolph Hearst for calling it marijuana, its origin coming from a racist. Lets call it by its real name, cannabis or hemp. :)
@starshadow Lets not give credit to Randolph Hearst for calling it marijuana, its origin coming from a racist. Lets call it by its real name, cannabis or hemp. I with you!
All of the other violence that surrounds the (non-alcohol, non-tobacco) drug trade is fundamentally a REACTION to that initial state-sponsored violence. Prohibition renders contracts unenforceable and makes it impossible for competitors to use the courts or the police to challenge intimidation or settle disputes. There are plenty of legal businesses that might love to âkill the competition,â but that only becomes a viable strategy under the black market conditions that prohibition creates. (Note that nobody from Coke or Pepsi has their decapitated corpse hung from a bridge as a result of the so-called âCola Wars.â) Prohibition also raises the prices of illicit drugs and hence their profitability. (Econ 101: risk demands compensation.) This only increases sellersâ incentives to do âwhatever it takesâ to capture market share. Today you donât see rival beer distributors engaging in deadly shoot-outs over turf, but you USED TO â during alcohol prohibition.
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Run a Google image search for âU.S. homicide rate graphâ (not all together in quotes). Take a look at the murder rate before, after, and during alcohol prohibition (1919-1933). Then read some current news out of Mexico (pretty much any news will do). Spot a pattern? The use of state violence to address what is really a medical and health issue (as well as a matter of personal choice) has been a disaster. And it needs to stop.
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If you voted to continue prohibition you should hang your head in shame, because some one willing to sacrifice a little freedom for a little supposed security isn't deserving of either!
 @OliverNicholas Pot is still a killer weed. You can make all the ill founded claims you like but that does not change the facts, POT KILLS.
    Oh my...where is yours sense of comparison on pot compared to a PROVEN KILLER the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has made Legal and easily available.. There is more than ample evidence of all of the social,and medical effect of alcohol abuse.
    There are many unbiased studies of the use of cannibis that have determined that the negative effect and outcome from Marijuana use are mostly only a misconception by those who are brainwashed with negativity on the matter.  I encourage you to gather more facts from sources other than our FEDERAL GOVERNMENT and the fear generated by BIG BUSINESS INTERESTS who ultimately hold the reigns of many of the directives of the FEDS.
    If all is equal, then it gets back to a repression of .PERSONAL FREEDOM. . People WAKE UP and live your Life as was intended. Live with LOVE ,UNDERSTANDING and COMPASSION for ALL .  There should be GUIDELINES to follow, but not directives that take away those personal freedoms. There are 10 directives that were written quite some time ago. They are called the TEN COMMANDMENTS and these are a basis for HARMONIOUS LIVING. There have been a few sensible revisions and additions that we in modern society have adapted to. in order to stay aligned with reality.Â
    If you think that what I share here on this post is BS... You might consider looking at the HOG WASH that the CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN PARTY pushes our way. We all need to me more PROGRESSIVE in our thoughts and actions@onceagain
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@onceagain Do some homework.http://thehive.modbee.com/?q=node/5069
1. Marijuana is far less addictive than alcohol.
2. Deaths from the two substances. There are hundreds of alcohol overdose deaths each year, yet there has never been a marijuana overdose death in history. The consumption of alcohol is also the direct cause of tens of thousands of deaths in the U.S. each year.
3. Alcohol is one of the most toxic drugs, and using just 10 times what one would use to get the desired effect can lead to death. Marijuana is one of â if not the â least toxic drugs, requiring thousands times the dose one would use to get the desired effect to lead to death.  This âthousands timesâ is actually theoretical, since there has never been a recorded case of marijuana overdose.
4. Long-term marijuana use is far less harmful than long-term alcohol use.
5. The UK Science and Technology Select Committee considers alcohol far more harmful than marijuana.
6. There has never been a documented case of lung cancer in a marijuana-only smoker, and recent studies find that marijuana use is not associated with any type of cancer. The same cannot be said for alcohol, which has been found to contribute to a variety of long-term negative health effects, including cancers and cirrhosis of the liver.
7. Studies find alcohol use contributes to the likelihood of domestic violence and sexual assault and marijuana use does not.
8. Studies find alcohol use contributes to aggressive behavior and acts of violence, whereas marijuana use reduces the likelihood of violent behavior.
9. Alcohol use is highly associated with violent crime, whereas marijuana use is not.
10. Alcohol use is a catalyst for domestic violence.
Alcohol is involved in nearly 50 percent of all domestic violence cases and the use of alcohol by the perpetrator is a predominant factor in fatal cases of domestic violence. Source: Abrams, Margaret L., Joanne Belknap, Heather C. Melton. When Domestic Violence Kills: The Formation and Findings of the Denver Metro Domestic Violence Fatality Review Committee. March 2001.
11. Alcohol use is prevalent in cases of sexual assault and date rape on college campuses. Marijuana use is not considered a contributing factor in cases of sexual assault and date rape, as judged by the lack of discussion of marijuana in sexual assault and date rape educational materials.
"Alcohol is the most commonly used chemical in drug facilitated sexual assault. In large part this is due to the fact that alcohol is easily accessible and a chemical that many people use in social interactions."Â Given the fact that marijuana is also "easily accessible" and used widely in "social interactions," it is quite telling that marijuana is not even listed at all on this "Drug Facilitated Assault" page.
For sure all drugs are different in that they have a different effect on behavior. Â
Looking at damage in this research I can only believe that we would be far better of to stock the liquor stores with cannabis and make alcohol illegal? Am I wrong?
Of course, we know that will not happen. But why all the fight on cannabis when research indicates minimal damage? Appreciate any comments.
Next up will be tobacco.
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waiting for your answer. Tell us how it kills genius. And please make sure to include how it is worse than alcohol.Â
 @MrAchilles Worse than alcohol? Why? The fact is alcohol hasn't shot anybody either. Truth be known pot is probably worse than cigarettes when it to tar an nicotine, it just that most people don't smoke it as much as they do tobacco. As far as pot smoking being victimless, your wrong. 85% of the money that the Mexican drug cartels take in is from the sale of marijuana in the US. You see where I'm going with this right?
@onceagain @OliverNicholas HAHAHAHAHA!!! Name somebody who was killed by pot. Mountain climbing, biking, swimming, diving, flying, smoking, booze, race car driving and ATVs kill, but you're more likely to die from too many donuts and French fries. Why don't you nanny-statists just ban them all?
  In reality it wasn't over the POT it was of people being stupid and greedy. It could have been any number of issues between angry people without the foresight to make good choices.LOVE,& COMPASSION do not allow for this behavior. @oodathunked  @PlayanekesÂ
 @oodathunked  @Playanekes If it were legal, there wouldnt have been a "deal" to begin with.
How does pot shoot someone??   Yeah, not the same thing, try again. If you want specifics just look up how many deaths last year were caused by alcohol alone and how many of those people were also innocent victims. Â
 @Playanekes  That's easy, there was a kid shot by another kid in a parking lot in Vancouver last year in pot deal gone bad.
 @onceagain  @OliverNicholas Well tell us how it kills or show us the link for proof.Idiot
if anyone really thinks the state is going to make even a dime worth of taxes on pot they must live in fairyland. users will just grow their own or buy from friends who grow. How is a policeman going to know where that ounce he finds a dopehead with, actually came from. Are people going to have to keep their  sales slips with them at all times????? This is just another aste of tax payer money.. Should have just kept pot illegal and shoot growers , pushers and most users. Simple solution.
 @onceagain Tax stamp, just like cigarettes.
@onceagain "most users." you're advocating murdering my father. Which unfortunate kid is going to grow up without a daddy because some commie liberty-hating jackbooted coward like you sent him in to do the dirty work for you, there, Stalin? Ain't you late for a lynchin?
 @onceagain You're missing the big picture...money saved on not having to put a pothead through the judicial system is money earned.
@onceagain People can also make their own hamburgers, soda, cigarettes and beer. As for Industrial hemp... well, you research that.Â
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You reek of ignorance, I don't think I could consume enough to vomit enough at another one of your ridiculous posts.
 @OliverNicholas And they will make their own pot and avoid a state tax also, idiot.
 @onceagain You said "make". You mean grow.. Its not meth.. *rolls eyes*
@onceagain @OliverNicholas wow, what a complete socialist tool. So what it comes down to is, you think users should be shot and the problem is that they won't pay the Nanny State enough taxes if people grow their own. Amazing.
@onceagain Nut.
 @onceagain It takes money and effort to grow good pot. Do you think a bunch of stoners are going to take the time and effort to grow or have a friend grow? Nope, down to the store to buy legal MJ and a bag o chips. These first state (Wa, Co) who legalize will rake it in. How many people from PDX will be going over the bridge to get some legal? Its a cash cow! MOOOOOOOOOOOO
 @CorporateCowMoo Wrong again pothead.
@PDXBEAR look it up, its way worse.
 @LostSoul  @onceagain Eww. Jenkum! Sounds like bath salts to me..
@onceagain you are an idiot. you need to quit smoking that jenkum
@CorporateCowMoo @onceagain his cranium is stuck in it.
 @onceagain I think your sphincter is a tad on the tight side.
be well advised that Any agency that utilizes any product service or device purchased with state budgeted tax monies will risk being found GUILTY of THEFT OF STATE SERVICES taken to County jail held as a flight risk placed in general population. In other words they are NOW ON THEIR OWN, no cops no gun no plans no helicopters, no jail no judges no search warrens on aids.
Good. I don't use it, but I'm sick of paying for people who do to be chased down, tried, and imprisoned. Treat pot like beer. Decriminalize the use of all other drugs. Treat addiction as a medical condition rather than a crime. The drug war failed as soon as it was started.
 @Max Quinn WOOPYYYYY!!!! We're going to Amsterdam! Don't forget the red light districts!
FTA:Â "Analysts said that there would likely be an impact on cartels in Mexico that send pot to the U.S., but differed on how soon and how much."
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The size of impact will largely be based on what pot retails for. If it is anywhere near $200 an ounce, I don't think there will be much of an impact. However, if it retails between 50-100 an ounce, it could wipe Washington State off their list of places to do business. If it causes the Mexican gangs to relocate to a different state, then all the better.
 our date in United State Supreme court" will be mute because of rescheduling that is sure to happen will the court ruling in DC on :USCA Case #11-1265 Americans for Safe Access, et al., Petitioners v. Drug Enforcement Administration, Respondent=If ASA can reasonably show that Krawitz has been harmed by a federal policy that holds marijuana has no medical value, the countryâs largest medical marijuana advocacy group may also get the court to rule on the merits of the case â whether the scientific evidence of medical efficacy is ample enough to reclassify marijuana from its current status as a Schedule I substance. We remain hopeful that the science on medical marijuana will prevail over politics in order to overcome the decades-long effort by the federal government to keep marijuana out of the reach of millions of Americans who would benefit from its use.
I believe what will happen is that there will be a "Conflict of Interest" that will happen between the states then some one will sue some one and the gloves of prohibition will be off
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Still this is getting more pres then the gay marriage thing lol..
@lee986321 there are more users than there are gay couples, and even whack job ultra conservatives like me think the War on Some Drugs was fueled by ignorance, misinformation and propaganda. (Absinthe has recently been re-legalized after a century of scientifically-disproven mythology. It's steam-engine-era politics.)
Under the current regime, the DOJ & DEA will be all over this costing us taxpayers millions of dollars as if we do not have enough to worry about. I am already trying to figure out where to cut as a retired gubmint worker...
This must be the new "green jobs" that are pruner ready. Decent working conditions, warm well lit and indoors pretty nice. Will there be a new union for these "new jobs"? I have an idea for a name, B.U.D.S. Brotherhood of Unified Doobie Smokers.