Bill to expand sex offender list also contains looser restrictions

ENOUGH OF THESE SEX OFFENDER LIES!

 

You can fool the people sometimes, but you can't fool all the people all the time. I used to be sucked in by the sex offender hysteria until I realized how dubious the stories and made-up "facts" were. Today, I have a disdain for the politicians, reporters, businesses and so-called organizations that are still trying to exploit people's emotions and their ignorance of the facts, to push their own selfish agendas to the detriment of sex offense victims, their families and society in general. How much more stupid do they think we can get?

Unfortunately, the hysteria and oblique allusions, yes, the innuendos that are being made about the sex offender issues have beclouded the reasoning capacities of many Americans. Many of them, including unfortunately even many sex offender victims and their families, believe the made-up "facts" as actual facts without knowing that they are being duped by some dubious politicians, reporters and businesses profiting from the sex offender hysteria.

One other interesting truth I have found:  The media has for years falsely repeated over and over again that sex offenders have 200+ victims that haven't even been found yet.  This really creates a boogie man in our minds but it is false and unproven.  Completely made up jabber!   Yes, I used to be fooled too, but I at least never believed for a minute I knew everything and still do not.  You must keep an open and balanced look at all evidence and not just take the inflammatory and salacious side.  Learn to evaluate and make decisions on all things.  That takes some skill in learning techniques to do a fair job but it is worth learning.

 

The "Protect the Child," "WAR on Crimes" or petting the "Puppy Dog" topics have been political tools forever and still get the same unquestioning fawning from the public when they see this from a politicians preforming public pandering. 

 

Another free ride without question and critical analysis is the "Victim's Rights" movement, which has actually help to create a problem with basic rights for all and eroded Constitutional protections.  Any group which must be zealous to bring their point across can also easily cross boundaries of  balanced fairness in the rule of law.  Their are many law enforcement officers that see the wrong direction in sex offender laws.  Even the label is unjust as it makes a person view another individual as still committing crimes when in fact most will NEVER commit another sex crime let alone any other crime.  

 

This statistic alone should make the Oregon Legislature make the right decision and not increase more expense on Registry laws but decrease registry laws and give that money to schools and especially in poor districts where many important opportunities for a better future for these children can be found if funded properly.  The arts, music, and sports are as important as math and reading.  Community and ethics should also be part of the education system.  We need to bring back the love of learning and the joy and security you feel with knowledge.  The educated public will not be duped by TV programming, politically tainted movies, or fancy, slick speeches and expensive clothing and good looks of some politicians. 

 

Education is the very best prevention for abuse of any kind.  That not only goes for children but also parents.  Any abuse whether sexual or beating a child is wrong.  Parents need to learn how to be good parents.  Most parents have the wrong kind of influence on the treatment of their children and this creates adults with emotional problems.  The best societies with the least crime are socialist governments like Norway where education is for everyone and crimes are not punished by unreasonable, cruel punishments but a reasonable time and them putting the person back into society.  Educated people realize that we are all part of the whole.  Adults that have been raised with abuse or disrespect as children many times treat others similar.  They need forgiveness too. 

 

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To LostSoul from previous post:  @Tom Madison If you do the crime, you do the time. Once a felon always a felon. THese monsters are no different. THey deserve to labeled for life- clearly for all to see. Because what they did will haunt their victims for life. So its only fair. I personally believe that any sex defender deserves the same if not worse punishment than murderers. All they do is ruin lives. I have no sympathy for these sub/non humans

 

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You said: "If you do the crime, you do the time."  I agree, but only in proportion to the actual damage done and as measured by international standards.

 

You said: "Once a felon always a felon."  Not necessarily so.  There are high recidivism felons (property, drug, assault) and low recidivism felons (sex offenders and murderers).   If we valued rehabilitation for all felons and eliminate background checks (except by police officers) then former criminals can actually find employment to support their families instead of supporting a drug habit.

 

You said: "Because what they did will haunt their victims for life."  The use of the term "victim" in the sex abuse sense has become an abused terminology all by itself.  Former victims of sex abuse are everywhere but the term "victim of sex abuse" is used now almost exclusively by blowhard politicians looking to get re-elected and "fan the flames" TV "news" outlets that want a boost in the ratings.

 

You said: "All they do is ruin lives."   You mean to say 'they, in some cases, ruined lives for a short time."  But victims recover and sex offender are held accountable.  Sex offenders become former sex offenders and become good neighbors.  

 

You said: "I have no sympathy for these sub/non humans"   Former sex offenders are not sub-human or non-human.  They are human beings that made some poor choices and paid a very heavy price for it.  Now that they have paid their social debt to the criminal justice system, they deserve to be reintegrated back into society with an even chance at finding employment and housing.

 

LostSoul:  Will you please start reading some books on this topic?   First of all, the people on the sex offender registry got there for a whole range of minor to serious sex crimes.   "...worse punishment than murderers."  Oh come on now, do you actually mean that some 21yo guy should get a sadistic punishment for a consensual sex act with a 16yo girl friend?   Modern democratic societies make sure that ALL citizens are treated fairly and equally (especially after they have completed any punishment for previous wrongdoing).   American citizens are shipping their Constitutional rights down the river and their democratic republican form of government with it.  Wise up LostSoul..   We need more freedoms and rights in today's world not fewer.  Lets stand up for the equality under the law for everybody.

Let us not forget Oregon is the state that requires the husbands but not the wives caught having marital relations in a secluded part of a wooded park. 

Oh great, not Anna CanZANY again! This lady and KATU in general loves misleading the public. I wonder what they hope to gain from expanding the registry. Oregon's registry is closer to the original intent of the registry, where only those deemed highest risk are listed, though it was never intended to be a public list. Without a doubt, the registry has done more harm than good. It had "good" intentions, with the belief you can look at faces and determine potential threats. But then people rely solely on the list. One of Sandusky's alleged victims told CNN he looked at the registry and could not find Sandusky. Like 95% of those arrested for these types of crimes, Sandusky was on no list of any kind. Then there are the vigilante actions. There was virtually a lynch mob in Sellwood recently because the residents opposed a treatment center. Treatment centers reduce recidivism, which means safer streets, but try telling that to the rabid mob gathering torches and pitchforks. Washington state has one-upped us by being a state with a lot of vigilante murders, like the recent double-homicide in Port Angles. One of the two victims was a man who, as a juvenile, had consensual relations with another juvenile. KATU should be ashamed of themselves for pushing this bad piece of legislation. The registry should be abolished, not expanded. If you want to expand something, how about expanding treatment, rehabilitation, education, and support networks that target this issue from an EVIDENCE-BASED angle. 

As a young Harvard law student I find this effort disturbing, not only from a constitutional standpoint, but from a moral and ethical standpoint as well.

 

As with the horrible shootings in Connecticut which resulted in the death of innocent children, as an emotionally disturbed society, we again align to knee jerk reactionary nonsense that only diminishes our societal excellence.

 

I beg you voters in Oregon, to take a step back and think about the realities involved with victimization; especially those of a sexual nature. Sexual abuse; in all of its forms and degrees has been around since the dawn of man. Sexual expression is something we humans cannot avoid. It's a part of all of us, regardless of any political agendas or laws man can make.

 

Our mental health system has been raped from a "public support" point of view, and if we were to take a look at the costs involved with either improving our mental health and education systems, and improve upon those things, rather than wasting money on incarcerating people and publicly humiliating them for life; which also precipitates criminality and defiance, we may be able to greatly reduce the abuse potentials as well as save a lot of tax resources that could be better spent elsewhere.

 

"There's nothing worse than a woman scorned." We have allowed this sex offender topic to dominate our hearts and minds for so long that it is one that is increasingly being exploited, and has devastated our Nation, both morally and economically.

 

I think what Oregonians should do is develop an expert commission of non-bias experts to review and recommend revisions to existing law so that children can develop and mature in a safe and nurture community environment, but also, do so in a manner that is not reckless and dictatorial.

 

The more laws, restrictions and embarrassment we place on offenders, the greater their defiance, criminality and violence potentials become.

 

I understand that any good parent will cringe at the "prospect" of their child being sexually abused, but the harder we make it for offenders and even potential offenders to come forward before their criminal tendencies do grave harm to someone, the more likely it will be that these offenses will become more intense and egregious.

 

Please Oregonians, think before you act, and act before it's too late. Don't allow someone else's emotional insecurity and paranoia impact your better judgment?

 

Justin

The National Coalition.

Did you now that since 9/11, the United States Government has essentially declared war on the US Constitution and Bill of Rights?  In 2001, the "PATRIOT" Act killed the Fourth Amendment (right to privacy), the National Defense Authorization Acts of 2012 / 2013 have wiped out habeas corpus and the 5th, 6th, 7th, and 14th Amendments to the Constitution (the right to due process, a lawyer, a court room and the right to cross examine witnesses against you, and to have equality under the law as everybody else). 

 

The Sex Offender Registry is a direct attack on the US Constitution in that it requires people who have completed their obligations to the criminal justice system to be continuously and indefinitely held up to public humiliation and shaming on a public registry (I thought we ended this barbaric shaming philosophy in the 1600s).  Before you wish that other people should have degraded freedoms and rights you better refresh your historical knowledge of the 1930s Germany and the rise of fascism.  Our democratic republic has suffered enormously under the administrations of George W. Bush and Barack Obama and their wars on the basic freedoms.  Wasn't it Martin Niemoller's poem that went something like "First they came for the communists, but I was not a communist, so I did not speak out ...?

 

And another thing:  Anybody who support the the sex offender "registry" is guilty of supporting the growing government 'reduced freedoms' control zones.  These constitution-free zones were used by the Germans in 1933 (recall Nuremberg Laws and the Reich Citizenship Laws) that separated citizens into two groups: "good Germans (Aryan, blue-eyed, pro-government sympathizers, ...) and "bad Germans (Jews, people with criminal history, political dissenters, ...).   Already there are other "registries" coming down the line such as a gun owner registry in New York.  Other government control zone "registries" for child neglect/abuse, arsonists, drunk drivers, and drug offenders.   Do you want to live in a society where some of your fellow citizens are denied the full protections of the US Constitution?

 

 

 

The Oregon sex offender registry is a complete and utter FRAUD.  Why?  Because it is based on three major false assumptions regarding the nature of new sex crimes.  Here's what the FBI statistics tell us: 95% of new sex crimes are committed by people NOT on the sex offender registry and over 91% of sex crimes occur from WITHIN the family where the victim already knows the perpetrator.  .  Besides, registered sex offenders have a really low level of re-offending when compared to other criminal crimes categories.  You heard that right.  But our legislators don't give a damn about facts nor does the "investigative" team at KATU whose management very much recognizes the "sex offenders in the news" are BIG profits generators. 

I have absolutely NO sympathy for sex offenders, they should be publicly known everwhere!!. In fact im all for tattoing it on their foreheads

I am curious about the statement....many "members" of the public are upset that Oregon protects the privacy of sex offenders but, those folks were not part of this story.  I think that those "members" of the public should read some of the credible studies:

 Justice Policy Institute - Recovery Money for Byrne JAG Won't Stimulate Greater Public Safety

Jill Levenson - New study finds federal sex offender law not effective (based on report

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/240099.pdf)

 

Many child safety and rape prevention advocates would like to see more money spent on prevention, education, and awareness programs for children and adults, counseling for victims of sexual violence, and programs that facilitate treatment and the transition back to society for convicted sex offenders. (HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH, P 2)

 

Legislators AND the media have been given the data and studies. They have been told about the collateral damage experienced by families of registrants yet they keep marching toward with their own agenda. So, if this bill is passed  I would recommend that when the first sexual offense occurs if the perpetrator is NOT already on the Oregon Sex Offender Registry  the parents of the victim sue the sponsors of this bill and this media source.

 

Educate parents, teens and children about ways to be safe, develop self defense classes, practice what to do, teach them to speak-up speak-up when someone makes them uncomfortable.  Ultimately, if families could get help based more on the goal of treatment and less on punishment you would see true results.  I will leave you with this true story:

 

”In 1984 I was working in a 5/6 grade Special Education class and following the Family Living discussion regarding appropriate and inappropriate touching, a very troubled female 5th grader came to me and asked, “Mrs. ****, what would happen to my Dad, … I mean, someone who is touching you in the wrong places?”  I replied, “He would be put in jail and you would never have to worry about him ever touching you again.”  She stood silent for a long time and I asked, “Is there something you would like to share?”  She thought awhile longer and said, “No, I was just wondering.”  Because of the law, I let this child down!  If I would have been able to say, “The law states that person would have to go to the hospital and change his behavior OR go to jail” there is no doubt in my mind that she would have shared with me.  She displayed all the symptoms of an abused child but I sincerely feel she chose to endure the physical/sexual abuse rather than lose her Dad.  I failed her and have thought about her for many years.  Children want the behavior to change; not the loss and breakup of family. “

 

Vicki Henry

Women Against Registry dot com

Why doesn't the person who wrote this article find some useful topics to write on?That 's unless, of course, he/she has an unholy alliance with the billion dollar sex offender registry industry. When will these media and political crooks consider the actual victims of sex offenses - the children whom their sex offender registries do NOTHING WHATSOEVER to protect? This whole registry scam is about ratings, votes and money; and nothing at all with crime.

LOOK AT the panoply of offenses which can land a person on the sex offender registry.  LOOK AT the so-called collateral damage of registration; to individuals, to families and to society as a whole.  We have here a select population with very low recidivism rates, a population whose names and personal information are spread over the internet like Bin Laden's bio.  We have two myths operating to perpetuate the public registry system - high recidivism (which has been debunked over, and over) and "stranger danger".  Regarding "strangers", especially those on the registry - it is a fact that the VAST majority of child sexual abuse is perpetrated by persons in the child's own family or close social circle.  Disturbing, huh?  MORE disturbing is muckracking which points, directly or by innuendo, the finger at former offenders, resulting in more and increased punishment and monitoring, while in the shadows, abuse continues.  High profile child abuse cases bear out these facts - tomorrow's abusers are not on the registry, they are in your community: coaches, scoutleaders, teachers, clergy and family members.  Think of the abuse in your or a friend's family ... chances are it was not anyone on the registry who perpetrated it.  The registry is flawed in concept AND in practice.

The public registry system has had well over twenty years to prove itself effective. It has failed miserably. Why would any legislator who is truly motivated by the desire for public safety and the wish to help children who have been sexually abused, are being abused now, and will be abused in the future continue to support it? It totally ignores the victims and ignores as well the desperate need for education and prevention which would help prevent tomorrow's victims.

And many young adults think this is the way to spell the word "loser".

Ignorance is a disease, which these dubious journalists and politicians are relying on, in order to continue to distract people with their sex offender hysteria. Here's the data: "within 3 years following their release, 5.3% of sex offenders (men who had committed rape or sexual assault) were rearrested for another sex crime." So, if there's such a low rate of recidivism, why should the registry be clogged by low-risk offenders? Or, is there another sinister agenda behind these registries?

This Anna Canzano lady must be a really bored woman with no life. It's appalling that she is still trying to feast on the sex offender hype. How come she can't find a challenging story that serves a really worthwhile public purpose, or one that has strong intellectual content? Do these lazy so-called journalists and some politicians still think that they can fool people with their "feel good" noise about sex offender registries? Do they really know what the data says about sex offenses and the uselessness of the registries?

I was introduced to this 'report'' by a friend because I watch KGW, NOT KATU. This is, in part, because I can't stand the smug, career-driven Batman and Cat Woman team that is John and Anna Canzano. All they are capable of is grasping low hanging fruit and making mincemeat of the facts. Go back to California you truly undynamic duo.

Research does not support a public registry and the only reason this continues to happen is for lawmakers to pass “feel good” laws with the hope of being re-elected. The facts show that nearly 95% of those on the registry will not re-offend. This means that nearly 95% of all future crimes will be committed by someone NOT on the registry. If you believe that viewing a list of people who have committed crimes in their past is going to stop future sexual assaults, you are kidding yourself. Look at those closest to you: family members, friends, teachers, etc. These are the ones that are committing the crimes – not some stranger on a public list. The only way to stop future crimes of sexual assault are for parents to start acting like parents and stop using a over-blown and exaggerated list to protect your children. Talk to your kids, ask them questions, check their social website, get in their lives and help stop this from happening. Continuing to shame someone for a past crime and taking away most housing options and employment opportunities only makes matters worse. Wake up America! We’re doing this all wrong!

This is completely the WRONG direction.

 

We should have high, SCTRICT rules for requirements of people convicted of RAPE and other assault sex crimes. Those people should be on the registry, be required to update annually (at least) and be on the page so we can see if they are the creep watching kids play at the park all day without a child of their own.

 

Then there are 'secondary pervs". The touch myself in public, or steal undergarments. They need to be on the registry at least for a while (like 5-10 years) and if no other crimes committed (that would give them permanent requirements) then they can petition for relief. For their first offence, they don't need to be added to the web.

 

Then there are the non-sex crimes, crimes. Like peeing in public, streaking in college parks. They don't need to be on the registry for their first offense, but should be added to the registry if they have a second with all the stipulations above.

 

A tiered approach is good in that it tells us who is ACTUALLY a criminal and who was just stupid.

 

But the worst of the worst should not get relief. Rape and molestation aren't "mistakes" they are assault crimes. No one accidentally raped anyone and no on can EVER sanely claim that rape was mistakenly consensual.

 

 

And we don't even have to talk about children do we?