College officials: Legal pot will still be prohibited on campuses

SPOKANE, Wash. (AP) — Young voters helped pass laws legalizing marijuana in Washington and Colorado, but many still won't be able to light up.
Most universities have codes of conduct banning marijuana use, and they get millions of dollars in funding from the federal government, which still considers pot illegal.
With the money comes a requirement for a drug-free campus, and the threat of expulsion for students using pot in the dorms.
"Everything we've seen is that nothing changes for us," said Darin Watkins, a spokesman for Washington State University in Pullman.
So despite college cultures that include pot-smoking demonstrations each year on April 20, students who want to use marijuana will have to do so off campus.
"The first thing you think of when you think of legalized marijuana is college students smoking it," said Anna Marum, a Washington State senior from Kelso, Wash. "It's ironic that all 21-year-olds in Washington can smoke marijuana except for college students."
Voters in November made Washington and Colorado the first states to allow adults over 21 to possess up to an ounce of marijuana, and exit polling showed both measures had significant support from younger people. Taxes could bring the states, which can set up licensing schemes for pot growers, processors and retail stores, tens or hundreds of millions of dollars a year, financial analysts say.
But the laws are fraught with complications, especially at places like college campuses.
At Washington State, students who violate the code face a variety of punishments, up to expulsion, Watkins said. The same is true at the University of Colorado Boulder, where the student code of conduct prohibits possessing, cultivating or consuming illegal drugs.
"If you possess marijuana and are over 21, you still may face discipline under the student code of conduct," Huff said.
Gary Gasseling, deputy chief of the Eastern Washington University police department, said that while they await guidance from the state Liquor Control Board, which is creating rules to govern pot, one thing is clear.
"The drug-free environment is going to remain in place," he said.
Even if conduct codes did not exist, marijuana remains illegal under federal law, another key reason that campuses will remain cannabis-free.
The Drug Free Schools and Communities Act requires that any university receiving federal funds adopt a program to prevent use of illicit drugs by students and employees, much in the same way other federal funding for law enforcement and transportation comes with clauses stipulating that recipients maintain drug-free workplaces.
Washington State, for instance, receives millions in federal research funds each year, which prohibits them from allowing substances illegal under federal law on campus.
College dormitory contracts also tend to prohibit possession of drugs, officials said. Dorms and other campus buildings also tend to be smoke-free zones, which would block the smoking of marijuana, officials said.
At Eastern Washington, there is a student-led movement to ban smoking even outside across the entire campus, Gasseling said.
In addition, NCAA rules prohibit student-athletes from consuming marijuana or other illegal drugs.
With all these complications, it is reasonable to expect that some students will be confused by the new laws.
"Some type of communication is going to come out from the university to clarify this," said Angie Weiss, student lobbyist for the Associated Students of the University of Washington.
Derrick Skaug, student body vice president at Washington State, said he believes most students will understand they cannot consume marijuana on campus.
"I don't see it likely that people will be smoking marijuana while walking around campus," Skaug said. "Most people do understand that just because it is no longer banned by state law, it doesn't amount to a get-out-of-jail-free pass."
Skaug acknowledged that some students might feel they should be allowed to consume marijuana on campus if it is legal everywhere else.
"It may be something worth starting a discussion on," Skaug said. "But there are a lot of issues that need to be addressed."
Colleges in Washington already dealt with this issue in 1998 when the state approved the use of medical marijuana, which was also banned on campus, Watkins said.
Students who wanted to use marijuana for medical reasons had to live off-campus, and Washington State waived its requirement that all freshmen had to live in dorms to accommodate them, Watkins said.
Of course, pot has been illegally used on college campuses for decades, and students for decades have been getting busted for possession.
Marum said that many Washington State students who have medical marijuana cards are allowed by their residence hall advisers to consume marijuana brownies, even though the drug is banned on campus.
"People in dorms now who want to smoke, they do it," Marum said. "I do think more people will be smoking in the dorms when marijuana is legal for use."
One thing that will change: Some off-campus police departments have said they will no longer arrest or ticket students who are 21 and older and using marijuana.
In Boulder and Seattle, prosecutors have said they will not prosecute criminal marijuana cases for less than an ounce for people age 21 and over.
Huff said University of Colorado police will no longer ticket people who are legal under state law to possess marijuana.
Copyright 2012 The Associated Press.
I tried pot in College, but I didn't inhale.
Good for the schools! If the kids want to smoke pot of cigarettes, then they need to do it off campus, in their own homes. The no smoking or no alcohol rules need to stand and be enforced.
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I don't care where they smoke pot as long as it's outside  off campus, or in  a private home just like cigarettes. Second-hand smoke is second-hand smoke and it's obnoxious.
if I was a college student,there are plenty of ways to injest pot.I have a friend that makes mj gummy bears.A person can even make mj tea.I prefer the body high that comes from eating it.Regardless,what a dumb law.What college student doesn't partake?
What I get from the story is that by keeping this rule in place that they will recieve millions in research funds?
 @noneofyourbizzness My thoughts exactly. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, as it were. By the school reaffirming it's 'official policy', that just happens to be in line with FDA/DEA code, they can continue to suckle the federal teet for money.Â
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meanwhile, back in the real world, the campus is still repleat with alcohol, adderal (for off-label use), and MJ.Â
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This is so silly.  Marijuana use should be treated just like a combination of the existing tobacco and alcohol laws. Â
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If it's not legal to smoke  cigarettes in an area, I don't want to be smelling marijuana smoke.  If it's not legal to consume alcohol in an area, it shouldn't be legal to use marijuana there.
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Let them smoke it in the privacy of their own homes.
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So... Your position is that there is not now any pot (legal, or otherwise) 'on campus'?
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WOW.... The administration of higher (no pun intended) education is apparently obtuse and more or less clueless as to the realities of college life. I did not attend, EVER a college 'celebratory function', in a dorm or otherwise, where MJ was not present. In several cases, even when the party was broken up by campus security, they did nothing more than remind the party goers that MJ use was against campus policy, and disperse the crowd.Â
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Frankly, I have to wonder if Mr Watkins, or any of his fellow University employees participated in such events when they were enrolled in their own College or University.... they never inhaled, of course.
Boy I'm sure glad the prohibition will stand......that way there will be no pot on any campus.....right??? Â Right???? Â Why are all of you guys laughing????
 @Old Guy Because the DA will not do crap in enforcing it as well he should not. If PSU wants to make a big deal about it because of threats from the Federale's meet Guido the attorney that is starving to death. Some of the finest medical marijuana is grown in Multnomah County and folks in WA get it there...
Yeah sure, we'll just see how long that prohibition lasts......until the first lawsuit!
 @jpk Campuses are typically already alcohol free and many are becoming tobacco free as well. Those that aren't have limited areas for smoking, which includes no smoking in university housing. So they'd be treating pot the same way they do alcohol and cigarettes.
@jpk On what grounds could someone sue? It's no different from any other no smoking, no drinking, or no skateboarding policy.
People no longer need grounds to file a lawsuit! Even what is usually considered "frivolous" can be litigated, given a hungry-enough attorney.
 @jpk You can file, but it doesn't mean a judge has to hear the case. Plenty of people file lawsuits every day that never make it anywhere.
Students cannot drink liquor and study, likewise they cannot smoke pot and study. Kids smoking pot on campuses would destroy the teaching institutions. There are better things to do that donât involve drugs http://easy10.notlong.com
 @Fisherman The students might just realize how bad they are getting ripped off by all the fees and actually realize how much their Ph.D.'s are really making for doing nothing at their expense.  An incredible song was written in one night by a guy that was stoned out of his mind. I went to the police academy with his wife...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIVe-rZBcm4&feature=related
 @boned  @Fisherman LOL we used to put that song on at our 8th grade "sock-hops" when the nuns told us "...just one more song and then the dance is over..." cuz it was so long! Good times back there under the cobwebs of time : )
so you find other "smoking" students and share a off campus house. end of problem.
WHAT?!? Â Where do they think people are really gonna be smokin' the chronic anyway?
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"Good people don't need laws, to tell them to act responsibly; AND bad people will find ways around the laws." ~ Plato.
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 Will this spark the debate for 'drug testing' for college admission?  Maybe, the colleges/ employers will realize that it is a battle they cannot win through denial of attendance/ employment.  Accept the fact that the people have spoken and approved this law at the state level.  The federal government most likely will weigh in; With their take on this issue.  Stay tuned for further developments . . . . . . . . .Â
@William Hunter Breedlove "The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine." --Abraham Lincoln There wasn't drug testing for college admission when it was illegal, why would there be testing now?
There are several of us that dont need pot in our lives to fill those jobs and college chairs. If someones going to get all bent out of shape and stop attending college or turn down a job because the place in question has a zero-tolerance drug policy so be it.
Why is this a story...is it a surprise? no...can't smoke cigs on many campuses, they can set the rules, deal with it, life has rules, property owners have rules, go off campus if you want to do it.
@deejm2112 Its more the reason why they are saying it will not be allowed. They don't want to be ostracized by the feds and left without check.  The Federal government  is buying the favor of the colleges or forcing them by means of needed funding.
 @OliverNicholas I figure that...thats how the fed works, "raise your drinking age to 21 or you'll lose highway funding"
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Still, I totally do not expect colleges to permit smoking weed on campus regardless of the fed position.
As if we needed any more evidence that Corporations make the rules in this country typically over-riding the will of the Sovereign.Â
Don't forget that most companies have a zero drug policy.
 @RalphCramden My company excludes pot from drug test results (although I've NEVER had to take a drug test, grandfathered from acquisitions), I expect this will become more common.
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Certain drugs cannot be excluded from drug policies or the policy can be effectively challenged in court. To have a bullet proof drug policy it has to include all drugs that alter the sensorium.
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In my case the state also had jurisdiction in my professions. Any drugs that altered the sensorium were not allowed at anytime while on duty. This will remain the law as long as I can see.
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The feds also have jurisdiction through OSHA that requires a zero tolerance of all drugs that alter the sensorium.
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I expect to see folks losing their jobs over positive THC tests.
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I am aware of two people who were just fired for taking prescribed narcotics for an on the job injury. Both got a doctors release to go back to work and to take oxycodone for pain as needed. One fell asleep on the job and they required a UA because he looked stoned. The other fell off a step stool and was tested at the hospital while getting some stitches in his arm.
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Caffeine is does not alter the sensorium except after long term constant use and in large doses. Most of the altered sensorium is secondary to sleep depravation and decreased serotonin levels.
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Many OTC drugs can cause altered mental status as well so including "illegal" does not address the issue of workplace safety and in fact decreases workplace safety.
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 @RalphCramden  @deejm2112 >'The feds also have jurisdiction through OSHA that requires a zero tolerance of all drugs that alter the sensorium.'
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Agreed, however, I would submit that you might choose to include the qualifier of 'illegal' in your statement. There are legal drugs that 'alter the sensorium' that are neither tested for, or prohibited by law for use. Caffiene, for example. (think 'energy' shots)
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I've seen a number of younger, smaller framed people who (after downing a  '5 hour energy'-type 'dietary suppliment' combined with a monster-type 'beverage') are as amped as someone on meth. Often times, this is accompanied by a loss of focus, or apparent loss of inhibition.Â
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From what I've read, there are some companies who are now asking distributors to no longer stock such beverages and 'suppliments' in their vending machines on work campuses. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if there came a time when the FDA was forced to reclassify such products.Â
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what about all the pills kids take to help them study? i forget the exact name
 @Phuzz No-Doze. Gallons of coffee (which is a bona-fide psycho-active drug).
 @Phuzz adderall
"The first thing you think of when you think of legalized marijuana is college students smoking it," said Anna Marum, a Washington State senior from Kelso, Wash. "It's ironic that all 21-year-olds in Washington can smoke marijuana except for college students."
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Anna, your first lesson as you go out into the world is this; Every public and private property that you step foot on has it's own set of policies including your future workplace. Â You are not entitled to do whatever you want just because it's legal. Â And Anna, students MAY smoke marijuana, just not on campus so your logic is flawed. Â There's a class for that and it's not too late for you to take it. Â
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Lastly, Anna, it's only ironic to Alanis Morissette but not in any other way.
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I'm good as long as I can score my 2 lbs of "prescription" Vicodin
It's not a question of "who" it's "where" - just like a non-smoking ordinance.
Why would anyone want a state full of pot addicts? Â Those who smoke pot need rehab.
@sortbait I think you need to rehab your mind!
There may not be a "physical" addiction to pot, but when someone begs and barrows money so they can buy a dime bag because "they need to get stoned and relax" Im sorry thats an addiction.
@cantcurestupid No, that's someone that has nothing looking for a way to excape their horrible life. That does not equal addiction.
There is no such thing as a physical addiction to marijuana. Don't believe the yellow journalism and propaganda.
Did you know pot was basically outlawed because people were afraid of blacks smoking pot?
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Pretty racist start to a meaningless waste of money law.
 @Portlander29 While I note that you specifically include the term 'physical' addiction to MJ, I can only wonder why you exclude psychological addictive behavioral patterns from your definition.Â
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According to current accepted medical definition; "Addiction is a persistent, compulsive dependence on a behavior or substance. The term has been partially replaced by the word dependence for substance abuse. Addiction has been extended, however, to include mood-altering behaviors or activities."
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This is not 'yellow journalism' or 'propoganda', this is medical science. Furthermore, the compulsive nature of addiction is not predicated upon a physical addiction. Most (if not all) substance abuse councilors, psychologists and even medical doctors DO recognize MJ as an 'addictive substance'.Â
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For the record, and to head off any preconceptions you may form, I am a staunch supporter of the decriminalization of MJ. I also recognize that there IS a good deal of both 'yellow journalism' and 'propoganda' that is spouted about MJ. None the less, I draw the line when people begin to minimalize or trivialize addictions. Addictions, in ANY form, are a decidedly bad thing.Â
 @Portlander29 I smoked so much of it in my high school days you could certainly say I was addicted, it's all we thought about and when it was scarce we were pretty worked up. It's just not an intense physical addiction like pain killers, meth, etc...but I would totally classify the experience as addicting. (from what I remember anyway...)
 @deejm2112  @Portlander29 In HS it is easy to be addicted to anything from drugs to cigs to chocolate to running to whatever gives you  your buzz or pisses off your parents or helps you cope with being a teen.
I don't think people that age should smoke anything. I think it can be far more damaging to a developing brain that it will ever be on a fully developed one.
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But tobacco and alcohol, which kills more people in a week than cannabis has killed in recorded human history, will still be legal on campus? Thanks for your educated enforcement of arbitrary laws!
@poopstainmonkey  Alcohol isn't usually permitted on college campuses either, and most are also tobacco free.
 @shorin I know of less than a half dozen univerities in Oregon where alcohol and tobacco aren't allowed - and those schools are not on my "good universities" list.