Gay marriage supporters declare victory
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OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - Supporters of gay marriage in Washington state declared victory Wednesday, saying they don't see a way for their opponents to prevail as votes continue to trickle in on Referendum 74.
"The numbers point to victory," said Zach Silk, a spokesman for Washington United for Marriage. "We're really feeling good."
R-74 asked Washingtonians to approve or reject a state law legalizing same-sex marriage that lawmakers passed earlier this year. That law was signed by Gov. Chris Gregoire but has been on hold pending the election's outcome.
With about half of the expected ballots counted Tuesday night, R-74 was passing with 52 percent of the vote. Counties were expected to post additional results Wednesday afternoon. Because Washington is a vote-by-mail state, and ballots only needed to be postmarked by Tuesday, votes will continue to trickle in throughout the week.
Silk said he was confident supporters would hold or build on their current lead and that Washington state would join Maryland and Maine, which both approved gay marriage measures Tuesday night. In Minnesota, voters rejected a proposed constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage in their state. Gay marriage remains illegal under Minnesota state law.
In Washington state, many supporters started celebrating Tuesday night, taking to the streets in a Seattle neighborhood and cheering at election watch parties as early results showed the referendum taking a narrow lead. Police closed off several blocks in Seattle's Capitol Hill area late Tuesday as more than 1,000 people gathered for an impromptu election celebration, dancing and chanting "74, 74, 74."
At a news conference Wednesday afternoon, gay marriage supporters crowded a room in Seattle to celebrate the vote count. Rep. Laurie Jinkins, D-Tacoma, was joined by her partner of nearly 24 years, Laura Wulf, and their 12-year-old son, Wulf.
"I can't wait to marry her," Jinkins said, before leaning down to kiss Laura Wulf. "I want to thank the voters of the state of Washington for allowing Laura and I to be married. It's a great day."
Even as the local campaign said it's waiting for more ballots to be counted, officials with the National Organization for Marriage noted they were "very disappointed in losing four tough election battles by narrow margins."
"We knew long ago that we faced a difficult political landscape with the four marriage battles occurring in four of the deepest-blue states in America," the group's president, Brian Brown, wrote in a news release issued Wednesday.
Preserve Marriage Washington, which also opposes the law, was waiting to see additional numbers from the counties, spokesman Chip White said.
"While we understand that the math is difficult, there is still a path to victory for our side," he said. "Everyone needs to respect the process and wait for the votes to be counted."
About $13.6 million was spent on the campaign, with the bulk of it coming from gay marriage supporters. Washington United for Marriage far outraised its opponents, bringing in more than $12 million compared with the $2.7 million raised by Preserve Marriage Washington.
If Referendum 74 does pass, gay couples could start picking up their marriage certificates and licenses from county auditor offices Dec. 6, a day after the election is certified. However, because Washington state has a three-day waiting period, the earliest a certificate could be signed, making the marriage valid, is Dec. 9.
The law doesn't require religious organizations or churches to perform marriages, and it doesn't subject churches to penalties if they don't marry gay or lesbian couples.
Six other states - New York, Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont - and the District of Columbia already allow marriage. Maryland and Maine were the first to enact the law by public vote. In the other states, the laws were enacted either by lawmakers or through court rulings.
"The numbers point to victory," said Zach Silk, a spokesman for Washington United for Marriage. "We're really feeling good."
R-74 asked Washingtonians to approve or reject a state law legalizing same-sex marriage that lawmakers passed earlier this year. That law was signed by Gov. Chris Gregoire but has been on hold pending the election's outcome.
With about half of the expected ballots counted Tuesday night, R-74 was passing with 52 percent of the vote. Counties were expected to post additional results Wednesday afternoon. Because Washington is a vote-by-mail state, and ballots only needed to be postmarked by Tuesday, votes will continue to trickle in throughout the week.
Silk said he was confident supporters would hold or build on their current lead and that Washington state would join Maryland and Maine, which both approved gay marriage measures Tuesday night. In Minnesota, voters rejected a proposed constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage in their state. Gay marriage remains illegal under Minnesota state law.
In Washington state, many supporters started celebrating Tuesday night, taking to the streets in a Seattle neighborhood and cheering at election watch parties as early results showed the referendum taking a narrow lead. Police closed off several blocks in Seattle's Capitol Hill area late Tuesday as more than 1,000 people gathered for an impromptu election celebration, dancing and chanting "74, 74, 74."
At a news conference Wednesday afternoon, gay marriage supporters crowded a room in Seattle to celebrate the vote count. Rep. Laurie Jinkins, D-Tacoma, was joined by her partner of nearly 24 years, Laura Wulf, and their 12-year-old son, Wulf.
"I can't wait to marry her," Jinkins said, before leaning down to kiss Laura Wulf. "I want to thank the voters of the state of Washington for allowing Laura and I to be married. It's a great day."
Even as the local campaign said it's waiting for more ballots to be counted, officials with the National Organization for Marriage noted they were "very disappointed in losing four tough election battles by narrow margins."
"We knew long ago that we faced a difficult political landscape with the four marriage battles occurring in four of the deepest-blue states in America," the group's president, Brian Brown, wrote in a news release issued Wednesday.
Preserve Marriage Washington, which also opposes the law, was waiting to see additional numbers from the counties, spokesman Chip White said.
"While we understand that the math is difficult, there is still a path to victory for our side," he said. "Everyone needs to respect the process and wait for the votes to be counted."
About $13.6 million was spent on the campaign, with the bulk of it coming from gay marriage supporters. Washington United for Marriage far outraised its opponents, bringing in more than $12 million compared with the $2.7 million raised by Preserve Marriage Washington.
If Referendum 74 does pass, gay couples could start picking up their marriage certificates and licenses from county auditor offices Dec. 6, a day after the election is certified. However, because Washington state has a three-day waiting period, the earliest a certificate could be signed, making the marriage valid, is Dec. 9.
The law doesn't require religious organizations or churches to perform marriages, and it doesn't subject churches to penalties if they don't marry gay or lesbian couples.
Six other states - New York, Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont - and the District of Columbia already allow marriage. Maryland and Maine were the first to enact the law by public vote. In the other states, the laws were enacted either by lawmakers or through court rulings.
I think I am going to be sick!
good maybe more would leave our state. sam adams you can be the first one. go to washington to marry and get high. and dont forget to bring a towel. Â
 @phyllis21 Well aren't you just little Miss Sunshine.
Did you kick your puppy and slap your baby this morning, too?
Cool! The Bachmann's should move to Washington state then Michele's husband could remarry
Nothing surprises me anymore!
one more step into the pile of goo.
 @onceagain What pile of goo? So long as you don't flaunt your sexuality and they do likewise, what difference does it make? The only "goo" I can think of is what comes out of the back end of bigots when they find they can't force their beliefs down the throats of others.
 @onceagain Well, that's only if you don't wipe it up afterwards, if you're playing safely, the goo should be confined to the insided of the latex contraceptive.
 @onceagain I'm still looking for a valid argument as to why this is bad (that is not based on religion, or the bible) ????
 @deejm2112  @onceagain I am not religious at all but the thought of 2 guys in bed or for that matter kissing is just gross.I am glad it passed because peoples opinions shouldn't dictate law.
the first part of your comment is ridiculous but i agree with the rest of it
 @riderofthelegend I'll admit, even though I'm gay, there are some gay men that, well, I don't need to see them kissing, though I'm sure the thought of that would float some other people's boats. Though as far as public displays of affection, I've seen much worse offenders among the 1 male/1 female violators. Not sure why, but I think the MAX is an aphrodisiac for some 1 male/1 female people.
 @riderofthelegend  @onceagain 100% hetero here and I feel the same way (although 2 chicks,.well...), I'm still celebrating the popular vote passing not once, not twice, but thrice! It's a good day for equality in this country.
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 @onceagain Well, we know where YOUR mind is at.
Something you want to open up about?
@onceagain I chant that all the time, and I'm a heterosexual male.
 @JTesla  @onceagain 69 is divine, right?
 @onceagain @JTesla @deejm2112 Okay, here's the chant, "Gay Marriage is so Divine, the only thing better is Sixty-Nine!"
Better Idea: Get Government out of the Marriage business (it is inherently a religious institution and any enshrinement of a religious institution in law is a violation of the first amendment). Then let anyone who wants to marry go to a church that agrees and best of luck to you.
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I'm always stunned that the same people who "want government out of our lives" are in a tremendous hurry to put government into other peoples lives.
 @ShallowEnder Uh, not quite. Marriage is a contract not only in a religious sense but also in a secular sense as well. Government should stay out of religious marriage (except for licensing & registration), meaning that the government can't tell a church whom it can and cannot marry. And religion should stay out of secular marriage, because that is none of their business.
I have no problem with gay marriage, but being the realist I am this will cost employers millions - thank goodness for starving attorneys...
 @boned What a stupid comment
 @boned How does gay marriage cost employers millions?
@pdxd They have to buy more "Congratulations on your marriage" cards now. Plus all the time lost when those things get passed around and people then have to come up with a unique way to write "Congratulations". Personally, I just like to draw an arrow to a particularly poignant or witty statement that one of my co-workers wrote and then I write "ditto".
 @deejm2112 @Dirtman @JTesla I typically put in, "May you both have all the happiness you deserve", then if they end up miserable, they can sit, stare, grab the tinfoil hat, and secretly wonder if the deserved being miserable.
 @Dirtman  @JTesla I'll spend 30 min with the card sitting on my desk trying to think of something witty, and then go with the pathetic "Congrats!" because I don't want to be the failure in the chain that doesn't pass it along.
@JTesla On those office cards, I always write "Happy Happy Joy Joy"...got that from a Rin and Stimpy show.
 @pdxd  @JTesla The annoying ones that play music are $6.99.
 @JTesla Oh that's right, plus the cost of the card, I mean, if they go for that real fancy looking one, it's like $5.99 at HallMark, not to mention the extra plate of blah picnic food at the company picnic.Â
It's a beautiful day! http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=co6WMzDOh1o
so can we start using the phrase "domestic partners" for housemates once again? I have about 6 domestic partners right now. still get funny looks when talking about my situation to others
 @phuzz In Washington, yes. In Oregon, they'll think you have a harem going on.
So proud of my neighbors to the north for voting to allow equal marriage rights. The only thing that would be better would have been if BRO (Basic Rights Oregon) would have proceeded with their attempt to get gay marriage on the Oregon ballot, so we could have 1/2 the west coast legalizing gay marriage.
After being completely disappointed by all of the losses that my LGBT friends,co-workers have suffered in the last few years.I am overwhelmed with elation for the gay folks from all of the states that have been victorious.I was so degected for so many years.I witnessed the profound sadness of the lesbian couples who are close friends that have been together for over 30 years when they were told they couldn't marry their life partners.Even though gay marriage is still banned in Oregon,I'm still completely ecstatic for all of the gay couples who can get married.I honestly never thought I would see the day when Gay marriage was put to a vote(which is a travesty in itself) that it would be approved by the voters.Its also so awesome that every gay marriage refferindum in this election was a victory for my LGBT friends.I was very careful to not make a prediction publically because I really didn't know which way it would go.There were some people on here who were absolutely insistent that that gay marriage would "go down big time" My advise to those people is to never underestimate the will of the people who support personal liberties,freedom and equality.Viva the gay community and my heartfelt Congradulations.
 @noneofyourbizzness HAHA, I forgot they kept saying that the gays would go down big time. How did they know that? That may be so, but now we've got voter approved marriage in a few states.
 @pdxd  @noneofyourbizzness Pssst - when discussing gay marriage, one would do well to be careful in one's choice of phrasing.Â
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Just sayin'.
@riderofthelegend @pdxd I'm not gay but I'll take a guess and say neither,but you know,I really don't concern myself with how anyone gets their groove on.It's noneofmybizzness.
 @riderofthelegend Well, I've never personally actively participated in that specific task. I would expect it would be similar to a heterosexual man who enjoys providing oral satisfaction to his female partner. Just as some heterosexual men may prefer some well manicured landscaping that has been freshly watered, so do some homosexual men, and contrarily, I believe that as some heterosexual men may prefer to search through to forest to find a special oasis, I believe some homosexual men may equally enjoy something similar.Â
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I hope that helps answer the question, if not, let me know. One of these days, I figure I'll have to learn for myself, but I prefer well manicured lawns that are regularly watered.
 @pdxd Since your gay pdxd  can you answer a question for me.What makes a man attracted  to another mans anal, is it taste or smell.
 @pdxd I know. Well, I'll be honest, I hope that there's still some going down in heterosexual marriages, I mean  <nudge, nudge> I hope the gays don't have the monopoly on going down town....
 @noneofyourbizzness I know! It kind of off-sets that whole Prop8 thing down in California. Which brings me to something I've been thinking of since yesterday....this election has proven to the Mormon church, that even it can allegedly (that's for you MikeW if you're still obsessing with me) coerced members to bank roll the Prop8 campaign in 2008, that they can't buy the presidential election in 2012, or prevent Gay Marriage from moving forward in states across the country.
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 @pdxd  @noneofyourbizzness Funny how you mention the Mormon church, they bankrolled the Prop 8 and fought gay marriage with a vengeance, but since they had their Mormon running for president they kept low key and gay marriage passed in 4 states.
I think it's time the mormon church pays taxes, they have not kept within the law regarding churches tax exempt status.. And after all that, their candidate goes down in flames..
It's called Karma !
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I have yet to see any evidence beyond the histrionics of biased individuals that the Mormon Church did anything outside the scope of their religious beliefs in opposing Proposition 8.
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Oh, there are lots and lots of people who SAY that they know that the Mormons pumped millions into the battle, but as yet no one has produced a smoking gun. Not even Wikileaks has anything showing the Mormon Church did anything beyond rally their members to vote against the proposition.
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I would really love to see some hard evidence of coercion or secret shuffling of funds...something definitely more substantial than he said she said.
There were a lot of churches involved, and they ALL did their best to keep it from passing...which is entirely their right to do.
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I for one am ecstatic that the measure passed in Washington. Consenting adults SHOULD be able to make their own decision regarding whom they choose to spend their lives with. But demonizing a group for standing up for their beliefs just because they differ from yours is a tad bit hypocritical.
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So instead of beating that dead horse, give it a frikkin' rest.
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@dougrpdx @pdxd @noneofyourbizzness  I think ALL churches should pay taxes. Talk about a tax scam.
 @dougrpdx I agree, you're looking at a formerly church going Mormon, and I think the Mormon church has probably violated nearly every conceivable violation of separating church & state.
This is appalling!!!!! This sort of thing needs to be referred to the voters! ...Oh, wait...
Marriage has always been between one man and one woman! Except in certain stories in the bible...
This isn't a state issue! We need a Constitutional amendment... Oh, the heck with it. Gay marry whomever you want...
Sorry, Sortbait, marriage is no longer between one man and one woman. You can stick you fingers in your ears and cover your eyes, but you will only be left behind. it's time to grow and except that all people deserve the benefits of marriage and all people love just the same as you do.Â
@momo But all people are not included in One Man/One Woman, One Man/One Man, One Woman/One Woman. So because unrelated straights and gays can marry, that encompasses all and is equal? Would you consider the 15th amendment equal that gave blacks the right to vote but still didn't even consider women to be citizens? It's only equal now for the people who can do it because man is a self centered beast who defines words to fit his/her need.
 @Portlander29 In many states, 2nd or even 1st cousins can legally marry, though some states require medical proof of inability to procreate (there goes the religious support for marriage to create families) or verification they've undergone counseling. Though the good news is, they'll save money on Christmas gifts by keeping it all in the family.
I'm a conservative and would have voted for this. I just dont see what the big deal is.
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I am sure that divorce lawyers are happy. It will be interesting to see what divorce rates are for same sex marriage. I think in Norway and Sweden they are higher, but in Denmark they are lower than heterosexual marriages. Either way - straight or gay marriage - the divorce rate is far too high! Say your vows and stick with that person for life.
 @Dirtman At least until a better bright red inflamed buttocks comes along, right?
@Festivus @Dirtman Really? The divorce rate in this country is over 50% and you come up with a line like that. Heterosexuals have almost zero respect for the sanctity of marriage and yet that is one of the biggest arguments made against gay marriage rights. It's a farking joke.
 @Dirtman Congrats! Is it a shotgun wedding? During the honeymoon after my shotgun wedding, I shot myself in the foot in bed.Â
@deejm2112 @Portlander29 @Festivus I am at 100% failue, but hope to go up to 50% failure when I get married again within a year.
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"divorce rate in this country is over 50%"
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You are correct, 50% of my marriages have failed......lol
 @Portlander29  @Festivus  @Dirtman Dirtman's love of the Orangutan is legendary in these parts.  When in the jungle...
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I hold my 27 year marriage in very high regard, thank you.
@Portlander29 Festivus was just using sarcasm.