Clinton: Romney claim about Jeep a 'load of bull'
YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio (AP) — Vice President Joe Biden and former President Bill Clinton have criticized Mitt Romney for saying that Chrysler is shifting production of its Jeep brand autos from Ohio to China.
Jeep, a major employer in Ohio, has said it is adding jobs in China to meet growing demand there but is not halting production in North America.
Campaigning together in the crucial swing state, Clinton said that Jeep has called Romney's claim "the biggest load of bull in the world."
Biden said it was "bizarre."
Clinton, who had been scheduled to appear with President Barack Obama, said Obama was personally offended by Romney's claim. Clinton says Obama's first car was a Jeep.
Obama canceled scheduled appearances with Clinton in Florida and Ohio on Monday, citing Hurricane Sandy.
Jeep, a major employer in Ohio, has said it is adding jobs in China to meet growing demand there but is not halting production in North America.
Campaigning together in the crucial swing state, Clinton said that Jeep has called Romney's claim "the biggest load of bull in the world."
Biden said it was "bizarre."
Clinton, who had been scheduled to appear with President Barack Obama, said Obama was personally offended by Romney's claim. Clinton says Obama's first car was a Jeep.
Obama canceled scheduled appearances with Clinton in Florida and Ohio on Monday, citing Hurricane Sandy.
Still wonder'n how you guys are gonna explain this away ??....Is it patriotic to dodge taxes AND try to be prez ??
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-29/romney-avoids-taxes-via-loophole-cutting-mormon-donations.html
YeeeeHaaaa, the vulture is toast now....and this comes from a "die hard" republiCON governor. Maybe you reichwingnutz can put on a little hank williams...you know..."theres a tear in my beer" ! OR maybe, "I hang my head and cry"
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"But no photo opp in the world can top the praise of a job well done that comes from an affected, outspoken governor from the other party."
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Read it and weep boys ! This is a KO !
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To help you along tim and civ !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivQdWzvpQsA
Of course GM is going to say that jobs aren't going anywhere. To say the opposite (which is becoming closer to the truth) would cause their limping stocks to plunge.
Wow!! Sarge is on a roll with the liberal wing nut rags he is posting to this string.
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In any case . This is what happens when you bail out a car company for no reason. the competition busy out the stock and then owns the company.
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 Chrysler is now a foriegn owned company
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. Now you are suprised that they will be moving manufacturing somewhere where it is cheaper ??? Just because some jobs will stay here does not keep the profits here .
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 yeah yeah I know, Bush signed it into law . But what you forget is if he did not , congress would have pushed it through anyway( Both side were  were democrat at the time) .
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Thank god this 4 year period is almost over and we can get someone in office that knows what they are doing....
Wow, civ, how little you REALLY know !
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"Chrysler is now a foriegn owned company".....Ah, they were bought out by daimler, a foreign company based out of stuttgart, germany in 1998......then a majority interest was sold to cerberus capital management....you guessed it ...a private equity firm...just like your buddy romneys firm....so a vulture capitolist was the one that the US gov. helped....
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Isn't that nice to know, a firm just like your vulture candidate !
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Ok, you're jabbering incoherently now...what are you talking about here ????
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just to make things clear, and I've stated this before (with links) thhe dems had a filabuster proof majority in the senate for about 35 working days....in part to kennedy being ill and the republiCON norm coleman whiney about a vote count along with the fall and christmas recess....so your point ??
"To counter the severe slump in European sales, Marchionne is considering building Chrysler models in Italy, including Jeeps, for export to North America."
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http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10-28/marchionne-seen-missing-fiat-sales-target-by-19-billion#p1
Still want one of you romney supporters to explain why he gets "TAX FREE" money from a trust ?????
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Oh and that trust, which is now illegal may not see a dime of it !
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-29/romney-avoids-taxes-via-loophole-cutting-mormon-donations.html
Explaining this chrysler "made up fiasco"Â to the republiCONs is like trying to explain team players to abbott !
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So, tim, northern black, jammy, kramer....so "motor trend" ...waiting !
The clown and the philanderer trying to set Romney straight. So * when * Jeep closes a factory in the USA and opens one in China, we now know who to blame.
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 @sargerator A lovely topic to come back to in the near future.
You're being a goofball....italy...no wait...china...hold...italy
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Hesus man, make up your mind !
 @sargerator So that means every final product gets EXPORTED either from China and/or Italy. There is talk of moving everything to Italy right now. And you can bet if everything goes to China the new tariffs will disappear.
 @sargerator Are you really that stupid?
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Localizing meaning taking all of the Jeep components (products) and building them in one spot.
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http://www.carblogindia.com/what-is-localization/
The operative word....."localizing"......meaning; building jeeps to sell local...ie; in china......not to EXPORT..."build to eport"Â would not be "localizing"....JEEEEZE, you guys , give it a break....no matter how you want to play bj "depends on what the word "is" means" doesn't work !
 @sargerator "Fiat SpA (F), majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and ***** may EVENTUALLY make all of its models in that country ******"
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âWeâre reviewing the opportunities within existing capacityâ as well as âshould we be ****** localizing the entire Jeep portfolio ********* or some of the Jeep portfolio.â
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-21/fiat-says-china-may-build-all-jeep-models-as-suv-demand-climbs.html
Oh and this too !
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You can say what you want about obama, clinton or biden but this romney character is a liar AND a thief !
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This is the perfect example of the "new" republiCON agenda, design laws to eventually end the wealthy from paying taxes.....You guys that are ALL FOR this crook do know you'll never enjoy what this thief is ?
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Ya, romney, a REAL patriotic guy !
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Clinton is not one to talk about sending jobs overseas.  Sure we had a budget surplus in the Clinton years - but it proved to be unsustainable. Â
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"The globalization of the world economy has had profound effects on work, on workers, and on wages. Open markets mean products come into America that are made by people who work for wages Americans canât live on. This can cost some American workers their jobs and keep others from getting a raise."
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Between Hope and History, by Bill Clinton, p. 33-34 , Jan 1, 1996
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In 1997, President Bill Clinton "advocated outsourcing as a major budget-balancing tool and the National Performance Review urged agencies to consider farming out common computing tasks wherever feasible."
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Clinton assumed that economic globalization was inevitable. He also believed in the classical theory of free trade: Lower tariffs would result in lower prices, greater exports, and a stronger economy. "it's so wonderful when an economic theory turns out to be right," his Treasury Secretary, Lawrence Summers, would later crow; "The economic benefits of the tariff reductions we negotiated during the Clinton administration represents the largest tax cut in the history of the world."
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The Natural, by Joe Klein, p. 79 , Feb 11, 2003
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Thatâs why we have supported commercial liberalization in China-the worldâs fastest-growing market. Just as democracy helps make the world safe for commerce, commerce helps make the world safe for democracy. Itâs a two-way street.
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Remember Ross Perot ???  He saw it coming . . . .
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PEROT: [to Clinton]: You implement NAFTA, the Mexican trade agreement, where they pay a dollar an hour, have no health care, no retirement, no pollution controls, etc., and you're going to hear a giant sucking sound of jobs being pulled out of this country. We don't have good trade agreements across the world.
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CLINTON: I say it does more good than harm if we can get protection for the environment so that the Mexicans have to follow their own environmental standards, their own labor law standards, and if we have a genuine commitment to reeducate and retrain American workers who lose their jobs.
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The Third Clinton-Bush-Perot Presidential Debate , Oct 19, 1992Â Â Â Â http://www.ontheissues.org/Clinton-Bush.htm
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"Clinton is not one to talk about sending jobs overseas.  Sure we had a budget surplus in the Clinton years - but it proved to be unsustainable. "
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Did you forget about 2 huge tax breaks the village idiot instituted AND 2 unfunded off budget wars ??
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Ya, figured so....and you want us to go back to the "trickle down supply side economics" of the republiCONs because it worked SOOOOOO well  ??
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Ya, like Clinton has any credibility on being truthful............
Um, they are moving it to China.
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http://washingtonexaminer.com/jeep-an-obama-favorite-looks-to-shift-production-to-china/article/2511703#.UI9EP4VhiJ8
For the reading impared ! Words for today...."adding rather than shifting"
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"The Bloomberg News story, however, doesnât say that Chrysler plans to move âall production to China.â Instead, it says that Fiat, which now owns Chrysler, is planning to open Chinese factories where it will make one of its most popular lines, Jeep, for Chinese consumers. Chrysler isnât planning to shift production away from the United States. Instead, it will add factories in China to keep up with the nationâs growing demand for automobiles:
Chrysler currently builds all Jeep SUV models at plants in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio. Manley referred to adding Jeep production sites rather than shifting output from North America to China."
Now quit injecting truth into the BO campaign.
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 Now liberals hear this when it's noontime and BO tells you it's midnight don't do any thinking for yourself .
Just accept what he tells you as truth as you have always done.
 @Jamie Actually, they're not: http://www.freep.com/article/20121029/NEWS15/310290039/Romney-takes-heat-for-new-ad-on-jobs-auto-rescue
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"In the ad, the Romney campaign also says that Jeep, now owned by Italian automaker Fiat after going through a structured bankruptcy in 2009, is going to make cars in China.
While true, that production would represent an expansion or return of jobs to China for Chrysler, not a transfer of North American jobs. It also is a move that analysts say could improve the brand's global standing."
@Max Quinn @Jamie  Max, I'd question the reliability of the information from that site. they've seemed to have re written history. from the article.....
""""""""To add context, Iacocca famously asked Congress for help for Chrysler in 1979-80 and repaid the money ahead of schedule"""""""
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The feds never gave one thin dime to Iacocca, all they did was essentially co-sign for the loans Chrysler received. Seems rather odd that the Detroit free press would get it wrong, but they did.
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 @kramr  @Max "In 1983, Chrysler paid off the loans that had been guaranteed by US taxpayers. The Treasury was also $350 million richer." (http://uspolitics.about.com/od/economy/a/chryslerBailout.htm)
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Technically, the paragraph is correct, but, you're right, it could be clearer and state that Chrysler repaid the private loans that were cosigned by the government.
 @Max Quinn "Mike Manley, chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia and president of the Jeep brand, told Bloomberg, "We're reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity" as well as "should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio" to China."
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You're right. Maybe the COO of Fiat & Chrysler is lying. It's all made up.
 @Max Quinn Not in a tit-for-tat,  but from what I've read Romney's ad didn't say that Jeep jobs were going to be transfered - but the ad (which I haven't seen or care to) seems to have implied that. Â
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Here is what Jeep said.  http://washingtonexaminer.com/jeep-an-obama-favorite-looks-to-shift-production-to-china/article/2511703#.UI9EP4VhiJ8
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"Fiat SpA, majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers' operations in the region," reported the business wire service.       And Jeep added . . "We're reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity" as well as "should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio" to China.
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Not all of the Jeeps, but all of the models.  For the very reasons we've already discussed.
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I also could not find any quote that "Jeep has called Romney's claim "the biggest load of bull in the world.""
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Oh how I wish we could disqualify for misleading or lying.   Both sides would apparently be disqualified over this ad alone.
 @NorthernBlackBear I don't argue with anything you are saying - localization is not a simple thing. But, what it doesn't mean in this story is the Chrysler is going to build all Jeeps in China.
Localization is much more that getting something ready to sell elsewhere in the world.  Enter the world of completive pricing.   Think NAFTA for everything.Â
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From  âInternational Trade: Rules of Originâ:   http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/180678.pdf
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âDetermining the country of origin of a product is important for properly assessing tariffs, enforcing trade remedies (such as antidumping and countervailing duties) or quantitative restrictions (tariff quotas), and statistical purposes. Â Â Other commercial trade policies are also linked with origin determinations, such as country of origin labeling and government procurement regulations.
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Rules of origin (ROO) can be very simple, noncontroversial tools of international trade as long as all of the parts of a product are manufactured and assembled primarily in one country. Â Â However, when a finished productâs component parts originate in many countriesâas is often the case in todayâs global trading environmentâdetermining origin can be a very complex, sometimes subjective, and time-consuming process.â
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Localization to companies means local content.  As long as xx% of the product total value is valued added within the destined trade region it does not pay the duty.   The xx% was usually 17% when I was in the business. It could be at the front end or the back end.  Didn't matter.Â
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It has everything to do with getting the Most-Favored-Nation status for trade.   NAFTA is just one of those.
 @Jamie  @Max Quinn A portfolio of products.
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If you go to jeep.com and look at the models that they offer, then you are looking at their portfolio. When they talk about localizing some or all of that portfolio, they are trying to decide what models (some of them or all of them) to sell in China.
 @Max Quinn Explain to me, Professor, what "the entire Jeep portfolio" actually means.
 @Jamie No, the problem is that you don't know what the word "localizing" means.
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It doesn't mean relocate - it means they want to rebrand Jeep products for sale in China ("entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio"). They're talking marketing and sales.
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And he would know what a load of bull was... Bill "I did not have sexual relations" Clinton.
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 @crabbycakes Is there really a difference between Romney and the sitting Liar-in-Chief?
@crabbycakes .......lied, impeached and disbarred. When your fellow lawyers turn on ya........you've really been bad.
@mikew @B Smizzle That was because Al gore would have taken over. Better to have a cheating , Lying Cigar dipper  in office than a left wing treehugger.
 @B Smizzle When speaking of impeachment of a President, the impeachment is done by the House of Representatives and is somewhat analogous to an indictment. The Senate then holds a trial to determine whether or not the President will be removed from office.
In the case of President Clinton, the House of Representatives impeached him but the Senate chose not to remove him from office.
@B Smizzle......Ummmmmmm, yeah he was !
 @B Smizzle Perhaps you don't know the definition of impeachment. I'll help:
im·peach- to accuse (a public official) before an appropriate tribunal of misconduct in office.
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Bill Clinton was impeached on December 19, 1998, by the House of Representatives on articles charging perjury (specifically, lying to a federal grand jury) by a 228â206 vote, and obstruction of justice by a 221â212 vote.
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 @Rob C 503  @crabbycakes Ummmmm, Clinton was never impeached!
@crabbycakes .......never mind. You'll never get it.
Why should we be surprised with Chrysler building cars in China? Afterall, government motors, GM, is building a nerw plant in China on our tax dollars that will employ 13,500 Chinese.
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 @crabbycakes Bain Capital is headquartered in Boston.
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 @crabbycakes Jeep is moving to China.
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 @crabbycakes Your comment suggests that you are a hard-line partisan and meekly accept whatever the Democratic party puts out without independent thought.
Regarding the GM bankruptcy, at the time when options were being discussed many analysts supported Romney's position that GM should go through the bankruptcy process "as is" without undue government interference. That would have enabled them to shed more crippling debt than turned out to be the case. The "government-assisted" bankruptcy rescued the union workers but was less advantageous to the corporation and it caused GM to retain the long-term risk of a UAW that's stronger than it otherwise would have been. The down side of Romney's position was that it was likely that more GM suppliers would have gone bankrupt.
To present the issue as simply as you do suggests an at-best highly superficial understanding of issues and an uncritical acceptance of "facts" as presented by others.
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 @crabbycakes You make a false assumption. I wrote the above comment myself and I based it upon numerous analyses that I have read over the past several years. From what I have seen of your comments, making baseless assumptions seems to be a common failing of yours.
@crabbycakes   """"The one that wanted gm to go bankrupt"""""
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Way to be a good sheep and believe the lefts talking points without doing any research on your own. Romney just wanted GM to go thru the Bankruptcy process without govt. intervention just like the large airlines have done numerous times.
BTW, the taxpayers are really getting screwed over by the GM bailouts. GM stock needs to be about $53 a share for the taxpayers to breakeven, it closed today at $23.38 ..... the stock has to go up 127% just for the tax payers to break even.