Clock ticking as lawmakers fight over fiscal cliff

WASHINGTON (AP) - White House economists warned Monday that the uncertainty of a potential hike in taxes next year for middle class taxpayers under the looming fiscal cliff could hurt consumer confidence during the crucial holiday shopping season.
In a new report that coincides with Congress' return after the Thanksgiving holiday, the White House says that if lawmakers don't halt the automatic increase in taxes for households earning less than $250,000, consumers might even curtail their shopping during the current holiday season.
"As we approach the holiday season, which accounts for close to one-fifth of industry sales, retailers can't afford the threat of tax increases on middle-class families," the report says.
The study by President Barack Obama's National Economic Council and his Council of Economic Advisers also says a sudden increase in taxes for middle-income taxpayers would reduce consumer spending in 2013 by nearly $200 billion, significantly slowing the economic recovery.
The figures echo estimates by private forecasters and by the Congressional Budget Office.
Congress and Obama have until the end of the year to avoid across the board tax increases that would do away with rates set during the administration of President George W. Bush and restore higher tax rates in place during President Bill Clinton's administration when the economy was robust and the federal government had a budget surplus.
Many middle income taxpayers also would be exposed to automatic tax increases under the Alternative Minimum Tax, which is designed to guarantee a certain level of tax payment by wealthier taxpayers.
According to the report, a married couple earning between $50,000 and $85,000 with two children would see a $2,200 increase in their taxes.
Obama wants the Bush-era tax rates to remain at their current level for households earning less than $250,000. He is calling on Congress to increase taxes for families earning more than that threshold.
Obama's plan is part of an overall deficit reduction package that would increase tax revenue by about $1.5 trillion and reduce spending by a similar amount over 10 years.
Congressional Republicans, led by House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio, have said they are open to including discussions about additional revenue but have balked at any plan that raises tax rates on the wealthy. They argue that the higher rates would also hit some small businesses, stifling economic growth.
House Majority Leader Eric Cantor said Monday the urgency of finding solutions intensifies as the end of the year approaches.
"If we don't do anything, on Jan. 1, 2013, there's a lot more people paying a lot more," the Virginia Republican said on MSNBC.
Cantor said the rapidly approaching deadline accounts for the more serious tone to the debate, but also reaffirmed the GOP's opposition to raising tax rates for the wealthy. "We've got to have the president step up and say, here's my position on how we reform these entitlements and start managing down the deficits," he said.
"What should be on the table is a recipe to fix the problem and not give away growth," Cantor said, when asked whether Republicans would agree to have increases in tax rates considered.
"We were re-elected to fix the problems, get the economy going again," he said. "Well, the president got re-elected and we know at the end of the year taxes are going to go up on everybody, rich and poor alike," if no action is taken to avert the hikes.
In a new report that coincides with Congress' return after the Thanksgiving holiday, the White House says that if lawmakers don't halt the automatic increase in taxes for households earning less than $250,000, consumers might even curtail their shopping during the current holiday season.
"As we approach the holiday season, which accounts for close to one-fifth of industry sales, retailers can't afford the threat of tax increases on middle-class families," the report says.
The study by President Barack Obama's National Economic Council and his Council of Economic Advisers also says a sudden increase in taxes for middle-income taxpayers would reduce consumer spending in 2013 by nearly $200 billion, significantly slowing the economic recovery.
The figures echo estimates by private forecasters and by the Congressional Budget Office.
Congress and Obama have until the end of the year to avoid across the board tax increases that would do away with rates set during the administration of President George W. Bush and restore higher tax rates in place during President Bill Clinton's administration when the economy was robust and the federal government had a budget surplus.
Many middle income taxpayers also would be exposed to automatic tax increases under the Alternative Minimum Tax, which is designed to guarantee a certain level of tax payment by wealthier taxpayers.
According to the report, a married couple earning between $50,000 and $85,000 with two children would see a $2,200 increase in their taxes.
Obama wants the Bush-era tax rates to remain at their current level for households earning less than $250,000. He is calling on Congress to increase taxes for families earning more than that threshold.
Obama's plan is part of an overall deficit reduction package that would increase tax revenue by about $1.5 trillion and reduce spending by a similar amount over 10 years.
Congressional Republicans, led by House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio, have said they are open to including discussions about additional revenue but have balked at any plan that raises tax rates on the wealthy. They argue that the higher rates would also hit some small businesses, stifling economic growth.
House Majority Leader Eric Cantor said Monday the urgency of finding solutions intensifies as the end of the year approaches.
"If we don't do anything, on Jan. 1, 2013, there's a lot more people paying a lot more," the Virginia Republican said on MSNBC.
Cantor said the rapidly approaching deadline accounts for the more serious tone to the debate, but also reaffirmed the GOP's opposition to raising tax rates for the wealthy. "We've got to have the president step up and say, here's my position on how we reform these entitlements and start managing down the deficits," he said.
"What should be on the table is a recipe to fix the problem and not give away growth," Cantor said, when asked whether Republicans would agree to have increases in tax rates considered.
"We were re-elected to fix the problems, get the economy going again," he said. "Well, the president got re-elected and we know at the end of the year taxes are going to go up on everybody, rich and poor alike," if no action is taken to avert the hikes.
"According to the report, a married couple earning between $50,000 and $85,000 with two children would see a $2,200 increase in their taxes."
Where else can that much money come from? Â Putting it to the "RICH?" Â No, not possible even if their entire incomes were confiscated...
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"Obama wants the Bush-era tax rates to remain at their current level for households earning less than $250,000. He is calling on Congress to increase taxes for families earning more than that threshold."
Wait a second... you mean the "Blame it on Bush" party thinks a conservative concept is valid??? Â Stop The Presses!
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How about this, Federal Government: Â STOP SPENDING MORE THAN YOU TAKE IN AND LEAVE THE TAX RATES ALONE!
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If someone finds themselves in the camp of the "they aught to increase taxes" Â mind-set, I say send the fed a check from your own account, not mine!
 @Umhal One big reason the govt spends more then it takes in is because of these cuts, taxes are at historic lows. Obama has cut a lot of govt spending (and 500K jobs went with it, you can't have everything!)
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They will have to raise taxes, even the Repub poster boy Reagan raised taxes several times. It's inevitable.
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I would love to see the tax system overhauled, lowered corporate taxes and incentive to bring money overseas back into this country....can't figure out why they can't do that.
 @deejm2112 What you say is functionally true and accurate.  I'd like to add that the number you tossed out there for job loss (500K) is actually a very good thing - that shift of 500K from the NON-producing to the PRODUCING pool can only be a good thing in the long run!
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However, I disagree that raising taxes is at it's core an inevitable necessity.
Will it be nice to weather the adjustment period that would result in a balanced budget scenario? Â Not really, though it would be an investment in our future well worth making!
It's simply sheer insanity to continue to spend more than is collected.
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I say let the market work, let business innovate and we'll grow out of this quite quickly - the playing field should look more like "small government with minimal taxation" rather than "increase taxes so we can redistribute your wealth."
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Your comment about bringing money back from overseas is SPOT ON! Â I can only guess as to why we still have a system that punishes investment in on-shore business...
and my guess would be "...keeping a large pool of investment money in overseas ventures and portfolios provides a huge slush fund for those who move and shake the financial world whereas locking that money into investments here on-shore would put that same slush fund under the laws and taxation of our tax and spend government, resulting in a complete loss of the investment."
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Hard to be a Glass-Is-Half-Full kind of person these days :)
I hope the fiscal cliff happens soon.
Sick and tired of hearing about it. The "Fear" talk has came and went, I no longer fear it. I welcome it.
The fiscal cliff is something we have to do. Â Obama has messed up the country.
 @sortbait No...Obama prolonged the inevitable because the economy was in such bad shape at the time.
@sortbait No...the Ruplicans have been damaging it long before he came in. He now has four more years to fix what they did. It takes a lot longer to fix that kind of mess...so let's hope the extra time will work. Not his fault. It's the legacy left by those morons.
We need to go over the cliff. Â This country needs a reality check and the sooner it happens, the easier it will be to dig ourselves out of the hole we are in. Â Â It's time to get everyone contributing again and that includes the deadbeats who don't think they should. Â At least that is what obama told them in order to get their votes. Â Â
 @boomer Define "Dead beat", if referring to the politicians then I have to agree.
if your speaking to those on Government assistant programs then I have to disagree, yes some may abuse the system, but remember, you life can change in a fraction of a second.
have you ever thought that many of those people may Have Traumatic Brain injury?
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"Your life can change in an instant"
So maybe before spouting off at a whim, Maybe you need to stop and realize what your saying.Because you very well may be the next "Dead beat" when a drunk driver slams into you, or when you decide to drink and drive.Or maybe your in the wrong place at the wrong time and you get a bullet in your spine paralyzing you, or perhaps you involved in a work accident on the construction site.
Is it possible to fix this with a fundraiser like selling Christmas wreaths?
Not to worry. The politicians will keep spending, borrowing and printing money to keep the economy going until we go over the real cliff because there is no more "tricks" to play and the real fiscal reality hits us hard.
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It's just a matter of time.
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We are already in a recession but the government doesn't want to admit it. If they did 0bama would not have been elected and people would just stop spending and start saving money.
 @RalphCramden Yep unless a miracle occurs and the economy starts to boom again like it did in the 90's we are doomed to a slow financial death. Since Obama is anti everything to do with non-union business it is not going to happen in the next 4 years.
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After that our debt will be 20-22T and much harder to get in control.
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Not to mention that all those new people getting handouts he used for votes will not want to give them up so cutting spending to the levels that will be needed will likely give us into a Greek like protests as those with their hand out pull it back empty...
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Hoping that I am wrong but just don't see any reason for businesses to boom again under Obama control.
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The entitlement society will be rioting in the streets and there will be blood shed unlike the US has not seen since the Civil War.
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You are not wrong. There is little hope that we can pull out of this, not because we are unable to by working hard and cutting back, but because politicians have lost any political will to do what is necessary to make the changes needed.
 @FreedomRocks  @RalphCramden Rapid growth in the 90s helped contribute to the bubble burst. It might be great at the time but it sets up this country to fail when it bursts and they all burst. All recessions are created by bursting bubbles, you smooth the bubbles, you lower the risk.
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Very true.
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The current recession was caused by the housing bubble that was created when Fannie and Freddie, which are GOC/SOE were told to increase the percentage of high rich loans and guarantee them to the banks. The banks took the ball and ran, after all, if the government is backing the loans what do the banks have to lose?
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Then more and more folks who were not credit worthy took out these high risk loans that were called sub prime loans. Then the housing market took off and those with good credit started thinking they could make a lot of money flipping homes in a few years and started buying homes they could not afford with risky loans like no interest, 80/20, and 100% loans.
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As the sub primers started defaulting because they were financially inept the whole house is cards came crashing down.
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The dot com was caused by pure greed and speculation. The interesting thing about the dot com crash was that it was a capital recession which was new territory for the markets.