When will they cap Bank NSF fees??

Did you know there is a Payday Loan Rate Cap in Oregon? Why? Well, the government passed a bill capping interest rates and loan fee’s because its unfair predatory practices and ends up causing the consumer more harm then good. So, now my question presented is this. Why are the banks allowed to take large fees out of our accounts for breaking rules that apparently no one is governing? If you overdraw your account as little as $1.00 you can be charged from $15.00 up to $50.00 dollars? What is the interest rate on that loan? Oh yea, one more thing. You can’t tell them not to cover the funds. That is something they control. Who governs these practices?

Customers are upset and outraged at the way banks take money out of their account for "fees" as a form of punishment for spending more money then you have. I hear it over and over and over. Hundreds of dollars because of a chain reaction caused by one or two fees that was unexpected. And just as recently as a few weeks ago I have been a victim to the horrible ungoverned fee practices of Bank of America.

Banks have "processes" that they follow when it comes to paying checks and Debit purchases, which by the way are ever changing. Currently they pay the highest amount first on a single day. Basically this means if you have $120.00 in your account and you make an error in your register for $10.00 you think you have $130.00. This is a common mistake. So you write $109.00 check, $11.50, $3.00, $5.00, the bank will pay the biggest to smallest. Meaning you are now left with 3 NSF fees. So now you’re charged anywhere from $45.00 (lowest) up to ($150.00) or more for making a small error. If you don’t catch this error and write a few more checks, you can only imagine the horror on your direct deposit day when you check your balance.

I had a recent issue with Bank of America. First, I am a single parent and also in college. I don't need to tell you how tight things are, I am sure you already know by your own pocket book. Balancing finances has become an art of cents and not dollars. Every cent counts. So you can imagine my horror, right before Christmas, when I deposited $100.00 check and got the print out that my available balance was $18.00.

Believing this was an error; I went online and printed my statement which showed only one red balance .52 cents. I was told by reps at the bank that they would never charge me a fee for less than $1.00 (how generous of them). So, feeling this must be some type of error, I had to get it fixed.

My first mistake was calling their customer service line. I think they need to rename that the customer abuse center. I have never encountered so many rude customer service reps at one company.

The lady who answered the phone identified herself as "Ashley". When I tried to explain to her that I felt there was an error, she quickly corrected me, condescendingly informing me that I can't go by the online system. There are things behind the scene which caused my account to over draft for two small items. These items are not showing up on my balance screen. There is one for around $7.00 the other around $4.00. Sending the two $35.00 NSF fee's out of my account. When I told her I didn't agree and I would just go into the bank, she assured me she was going to note my account so that no one was going to assist me in this matter and that I was not getting my funds back. I was very angry now so I hung up and immediately called back. I then spoke with a guy who was polite and offered to credit my funds back to me. Problem solved? I thought so, but checking my balance the next day the money was still gone. Again, I called that wonderful customer service line. Now mind you, I'd rather drove to the bank but this was during snow storm and I had about 24” of snow, I was stuck and in very desperate need of these funds. The third call got me another female who informed me that I was not getting my money, that the other service rep who assured me I'd get it back was over ruled by his supervisor. I hung up and decided to go into the bank and talk to them.

Unfortunately, it was after Christmas when I finally got to a branch of Bank of America. I had to wait about 20 minutes to even get to speak to a "specialist". I was sure they would see the error and fix this. But to my surprise was met with the same resistance I was over the phone. I escalated my issue and asked to speak to the manager. Ironically, the same guy who greeted me and other customers at the door sat in front of me claiming to be a manager. I find this hard to believe. Apparently, they play the same games as they do in call centers when you request a supervisor (they simply hand the phone to another rep who has been there a few weeks longer). I amused him with my story. He informed me once I use that debit card funds are placed on “hold” and are no longer available. Ok, so if that is the case, how did Bank of America take the funds on “hold” from the other two transactions and apply them to the new “hold” and bounce the two older ones? It was a pointless argument. This bank employee went from “greeter” to “manager” and seriously lacks skill and even general understand of how to explain anything without contradiction. Frustrated beyond belief, I finally said, is this worth losing a customer and possibly a few business accounts? He response was simply, yes. So here I am sharing my story.

This is exactly how the event timeframe unfolded.

On 12/15/08 I used my debit card at two places totaling a little over $11.00. On that day after those two transactions, I was .52 cents short. (Common calculation error) The bank holds these funds so my available balance dropped to -.52 cents.

On 12/17/09 I was at a store and forgot cash, I had them use my Bank of America debit because I knew I would stop by the bank later and make my deposit to cover it. I did this because, I was told when I opened my account that I could make the deposit while a transaction was still pending status and not be charged (apparently that is a gray area as well). But, little did I know when I made that transaction Bank of America took the funds off HOLD from the transactions on 12/15/08 and transferred that money over to this transaction in pending status.

Sometime on 12/17, they finalized the first two transactions from “pending” to “completed” status but now due the HOLD on the new “pending” transaction I had NO MONEY to cover them. Remember these holds are what the manager told me I can’t use, because they are on hold for a single transaction and no longer available (apparently he meant they are not available to me, but the bank can move the money around however they wish).

On 12/17/09 Two NSF fees debited my account for $35.00. Oh but guess what? When those two fees were applied guess what happened to the money on HOLD on the “pending” transaction?? I bet you can figure this one out. I think you see where this is going.

I do have an attorney working on a non related consumer case for me, I am going to have him read this as well to see what laws are out there. I think there needs to be laws to govern this just as they enacted for payday loans and predatory lending. I know there are many more stories just like mine!

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nw says ... on Thursday, Oct 14 at 5:42 AM

should put together a class action against the bank

M & I customer says ... on Friday, Aug 13 at 12:34 PM

Similar story...$62 in nsf for $15 overdraft. On-line last night and acct was positive. Just before an automatic deposit the next morning they cleared 2 checks totalling $15 creating $62 in fees. The punishment does not fit the crime!!!

creditunioncassie says ... on Sunday, Jun 27 at 4:43 AM

Lets just say that the account is still unpaid and i have no intention of EVER paying it. I now belong to Connex credit union and have NEVER had a problem! Credit Unions are the way to go and they track and care about your financial credit!

creditunioncassie says ... on Sunday, Jun 27 at 4:41 AM

my TDBank account was hacked and i woke up negative 2600.00!!.. and change. TD Bank said it was my fault for not protecting my identity and that i had to refund them the money plus the 875.00 in overdraft fees they charged me!

Fuming Wachovia Customer says ... on Tuesday, Mar 2 at 3:23 PM

....and next day another 2 NSFs even after I deposited sufficient cash for the negative bal n for any remaining chgs all BECAUSE they processed my cash deposit a day later as it was done after 2pm, although Available bal kept showing the right amt.

Fuming Wachovia Customer says ... on Tuesday, Mar 2 at 3:10 PM

I've the same, by now repetitious boring story, but I should still register it... Wachovia stacked larger amts first n charged 6 NSF fees of $35 each even for $3.18 ATM chg and $100 cash withdrawal with plenty money still left because of one big hold

Ex Bank Employee says ... on Thursday, Feb 25 at 6:21 AM

I worked for Wachovia for 3 years, after leaving to focus on my family, I recieved my first NSF my mortgage was 850. I had 849.36 I got a NSF for .64 I mean come one!! But oh well You live and you learn..

Don't forget Wells... says ... on Wednesday, Feb 24 at 8:25 AM

Don't forget Wells Fargo in the group. I do incur a lot of NSF charges because I'm poor and at the end of my pay period I usually am sitting on empty in my gas tank, have to feed my kid and so I use credit on my bank card. NSFs hurt struggling ppl.

Jennifer says ... on Wednesday, Jan 27 at 4:59 PM

I had the same experience happen to me just today with Chase. They reposted transactions from two days prior (posting large amounts first) so they could get 7 NSF fees instead of just one! They would not credit the six that were not my fault back!

Felix says ... on Tuesday, Jan 26 at 10:35 AM

I've had a MasterCard debit card through PayPal for several years. They do not charge NSF fees. My bank gave me a debit card and managed to charge a $1000 in fees in a month. Bankers must stay up late at figuring out new ways to ripoff customers.

Anonymous says ... on Wednesday, Jan 13 at 2:19 PM

I THINK THE GOVERNMENT OUGHT TO STOP ALLOWING THE BANKS TO CHARGE THESE RIDICULOUS FEES. THEY ARE CONSTANTLY GETTING RICHER OFF OF THE POOR CUSTOMERS. JUST A DIRTY SHAME! CUSTOMER OF ASSOCIATED BANK HELP!

Keybank suck2 says ... on Tuesday, Dec 1 at 8:12 AM

immaginary qtr coming from (this is all metoporhicly speaking- I'm not actually ref. to a qtr)? Go back to first grade! Your processing system sucks.

Keybank suck2 says ... on Tuesday, Dec 1 at 8:10 AM

does the elliosionary qtr come from? the debit that have already been deducted from my act? the is taken from your bal. immed.? Your bank act. is in essense a electronic/paper version of cash is it not? "yes" well then where the hell is this...

Keybank suck2 says ... on Tuesday, Dec 1 at 8:08 AM

They must have failed 1st grade math if you have 4 qtrs = 1 dollar you take 1 away how much do you have? They tell you well even though the money was taken out for your debit we put it back to pay for your check coming threw, so wait a min! where...

Keybank sucks2 says ... on Tuesday, Dec 1 at 7:53 AM

I can't keep track of my funds, and spending. And that that's my problem. The problem is the system, not the customer or online banking. Admit the problem and fix the ****ing thing already. Be warned stay away from KEY Bank.

Keybank sucks2 says ... on Tuesday, Dec 1 at 7:50 AM

something need to be done to regulate this, I am sure our sm. business alone has paid the salery of one VP in Keycorp on nsf fees alone since we have been with them. You think if I couldn't balance my books we'd still be in business, don't tell me...

Keybank sucks2 says ... on Tuesday, Dec 1 at 7:43 AM

OK I;m not with BOA, and now have deffently ruled it out. But I warn not to go to key bank either. they do the same bull****! No joke this just happened to me, when are they going to regulate the amount of fees they can charge to one account. We...

Anonymous says ... on Saturday, Oct 24 at 5:44 PM

I was told by my bank I was not the type of customer they wanted and they proceeded to close all my accounts. Because I took the extra step, and went all the way to the top. I did not close my accounts they did, because I spoke up.

DaisyM:aeMaids says ... on Saturday, Oct 24 at 5:43 PM

the truth of the matter is that banks charge you a nsf fee, based on the potential that it may bounce. This is perfectly legal, I took it all the way to the federal reserve, to finally have it resolved and my bank, after refunding me back my money

bank midwest sucks says ... on Thursday, Oct 15 at 5:12 PM

$50.00 nsf fee... posted money to cover checks but I was 2 hours short... $550.00 later in fees... Theyr'e response... Sorry, checks already sent back... I would feel much better knowing that someone else besides the banks were getting the fee $....

scammed says ... on Tuesday, Sep 22 at 2:27 PM

go to 'findabetterbank.com' and switch banks thats your only recourse. for example us bank holds deposits and they cause pending transactions to post in the negative in your account. it's money off of the top for them.

Thomas says ... on Friday, Sep 18 at 3:10 PM

An overdraft fee is a penalty to prevent you from overdrawing your account. There is NO exchange of money from the bank, so there is NO loss. This is all for profit. This is not the same as a NSF charge being assessed a Courtesy Pay program.

Anonymous says ... on Thursday, Sep 3 at 8:28 AM

THERE SHOULD BE A CAP ON NSF FEES!! I had $350 taken out from my direct deposited paycheck because of 9 $35 NSF fees! I understand that I need to be better with my financies but that doesn't mean the bank gets to take advantage of me.

Banks are crooks says ... on Monday, Aug 31 at 8:12 PM

I get overdraft fees often because I pay alot online and they will deliberately hold a check for a day longer to debit a small charge and get you on a NSF fee. We have to write to do something about this illegal practice , it is unfair abuse!!!

Debra says ... on Saturday, Aug 8 at 5:27 PM

It's called price gouging. See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gouge It is an escalating skill among people and organizations who claw and gouge their way down during this recession. Banks--I've decided are some of the worst.

jane says ... on Saturday, Aug 8 at 5:58 AM

I do understand that no one is going to cover your overdrafts for free, but to charge $32 for each check per day is excessive. OK, charge a daily fee that is reasonable. I just was charged $575 for 2 days!!! I couldn't transfer funds fast enough!

Anonymous says ... on Thursday, Aug 6 at 3:59 PM

I think it's so so so so so so ridiculous that we have to pay the fees. Aren't paying enough out of pocket? I mean com'on people. Why even have a bank account, when the bank is taking all of the money you put in there?????

Most Banks are Predatory says ... on Tuesday, Jun 30 at 11:04 AM

I had a recent incident where I had an overdraft (obviously my fault) in my Bank of America account. However, I was not notified until a full 9 days later. BOA will not remove the charges. Stay away from BOA!!!

David says ... on Wednesday, May 27 at 6:33 AM

One way to get around NSF fees created by using your debit card, is to NEVER use it as Credit. ALWAYS use as debit and enter your pin. Using a debit card as credit lets the merchant decide when they process the transaction and enables NSF fees.

David says ... on Wednesday, May 27 at 6:27 AM

I think its theft for a bank to charge a $35 NSF fee when they only handled the transaction electronically(just like atm fees were charged) and do NOT pay the the item. If they are charging a NSF fee they should be paying the item also.

Maryanne says ... on Thursday, Apr 23 at 4:24 PM

Im in the same boat as you to make this short there has to be someone that we can turn to to get this stoped in the last year i added up my bank took over and this is no joke 2000.00 in NSF fees and im a working mom on a very tight income .

Immoral practices says ... on Thursday, Feb 26 at 6:41 AM

I recently had a similar situation. Mine happened when a company posted a charged 7 months later. I had little charges which ultimatley resulted in 5 overdraft charges of 35 each. Overdrawn 27 dollars and they made 175 dollars for a 27 loan.

Julie says ... on Wednesday, Feb 25 at 9:42 PM

I agree banks take advantage of people my husband is disabled we are on a tite budget my local bank where i bank has charged me over 800.00 in NFS fees there has to be some law against this i no i make mistakes but i always pay what i owe.

overdrawn veteran says ... on Thursday, Feb 19 at 10:17 PM

I think that after 3 overdraft fees the banks should pay into the American Insurance program and I am alerting my congressmen in 2 states for this purpose. A percentage of these fees should go toward our nations insurance for everyone like Canada has

Nancy L. Ramey says ... on Thursday, Jan 29 at 6:43 PM

I forgot to put an automatic payment in my register. The payment was to an insurance company sponsored by my bank. It overdrew my acccount by $1.57. The bank charged me $35.00 nsf. I'm a disabled vet. and my pension is small, I can't afford this.

Auditor guy says ... on Wednesday, Jan 28 at 2:22 PM

Its true, Banks deliberately structure their fees to their own advantage. It provides significant revenue. I know how it works. By the way... the above 5 posts are probably all the same drone.

bank h8r says ... on Tuesday, Jan 27 at 10:08 PM

banks are all rip-off artists... they charge you to use your own money! they need to be stopped. and soon. wished to hell the government wouldnt help them with that TARP assistance

other financial institution says ... on Monday, Jan 26 at 10:32 AM

So, Barbie, who is responsible for your account and maintaining the transactions--you or everyone else? Good luck with your lawsuit..I hope you don't bounce your lawyer's check.

other financial institution says ... on Monday, Jan 26 at 10:30 AM

Here Here Bankguy! We are all individually responsible for our accounts. If those charges were returned to the store Barbie would have been livid that they would charge her on their end.

Bankguy says ... on Sunday, Jan 25 at 10:48 AM

So yeah we want you not be late on those kind of things. Because well you have to live right? So for the 3 dollar charges or five dollar ones...stop going to starbucks or fast food. Or pull cash out for those type of transactions. It clears next day.

Bankguy says ... on Sunday, Jan 25 at 10:46 AM

One. Online systems are not a register. The best way is to write it down in a register. Online is simply a tool to help manage your money. Two. why we pay largest to smallest is your bigger bills usually are most important. Rent, Util., CC Payment,

BOA LOVER says ... on Sunday, Jan 25 at 8:12 AM

I have been a BOA customer for many years and I love them. They have any problems I have had nicely and promptly! Even unauthorized charges on my account were handled very nicely! I think you need a better understanding of the banking industry!

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