Gresham Police Taking Advantage...

"Jessica" and I were meeting at Red Robin (RR) Lloyd Center for dinner tonight... when we both parked in the Denny's(tm) parking lot adjacent to RR, and alongside 3 police cars. **Note, RR only has 12 parking spots in total for their customers. We parked in spots with "ambiguous tow signs" and thought we may be in the RR lot. A sign on the front door warned of illegal parking, as did a flier on our dinner table, as did the hostess at the front door... so we promptly moved our cars, not wanting a ticket or to be towed.

"Jessica" had to park ~2 blocks away and walk by herself in a less-than-great neighborhood to the restaurant. I parked ~3 blocks away and did the same.

Upon re-entering the restaurant, we noticed a large group of Gresham police eating around the table. This rubbed me the wrong way... if anyone shouldn't have walked alone to the restaurant, it was Jessica!

So, I went outside to videotape them parked illegally and while doing so was approached by an officer from inside the restaurant; he threatened to arrest me, confiscate my phone and cite me for illegally recording audio without his permission.

* see: http://media.portland.indymedia.org/media/2008/12/383133.pdf

The officer then asked me to follow him, and as we walked inside RR he reminded me about how he gets shot at daily, how his family is threatened routinely and how he deals with "gang bangers" hourly. I kindly informed him how much I appreciate him service, but I still didn't think it was right of them to knowingly park illegally.

The officer asked me to follow him inside Red Robin where he asked his Sergeant to step outside and have a word with me. I was again threatened with arrest, confiscation, etc.

My two points of contention are as follows:

1) Police are not above the law... and they should have to abide by the same rules & regulations as we do... if for nothing more (on private property), to set an example to law-abiding citizens

2) If the towing company would have towed these vehicles (which they could have because the Police were clearly not responding to a call), it would be taxpayer money bailing out the cars. In addition to the financial implications to taxpayers, it would have taken 5 seemingly capable Police officers off the streets for many hours, where they would otherwise be "catching drug dealers & gang bangers" - as they put it.

About me: I have a career, a college education and have never had a run-in with the law. I neither seek confrontation nor provoke animosity with law officers. I have a great deal of respect for anyone who serves our country, and I do believe that all people, whether public servants or otherwise should be moral and upstanding in character. These officers should not have parked here... simply put; and the officer should not have threatened to arrest me for something that is clearly legal.

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Chris-lives-in-tha-ham says ... on Sunday, Oct 17 at 9:56 PM

Wow gresham cops eating at a portland red robin? Should'nt they be blasting thier wifes at the M&M lounge? Or setting house fires after being suspended from the force...just a few more things GPD likes to do with there free time...

AbbyNormal says ... on Tuesday, Mar 30 at 12:19 AM

girl pal had to take the risk of walking the 3 blocks alone, rather than an armed officer. They don't have to abide by parking spaces either and could have parked on the street, like they often do. And to gripe on someone's grammatical errors is weak

AbbyNormal says ... on Tuesday, Mar 30 at 12:16 AM

watching our tax dollars "at work" a crime, they didn't have an expectation of privacy at the restaurant or in the parking lot. I think the guys point has been lost, they parked in a lot that wasn't for the place they were eating, his vulnerable

AbbyNormal says ... on Tuesday, Mar 30 at 12:13 AM

Since when do police hold themselves up to the standards they expect others to abide? The fact that they don't is every reason to film them in itself, not to mention that it IS implied that a cellphone pointed at you can be recording. Since when is

sickofurcrying says ... on Saturday, Mar 6 at 2:58 PM

hmmmmm...so when they get a call for serive for someone who needs help right away they should run to their cars 3 blocks away so you arent put out by having to walk yourself?? god stop fricking crying.

Radioninja007 says ... on Monday, Sep 7 at 2:56 PM

what law or statue says no filming public activity being conducted in the public????.........thats how you cover up crime, commited by armed thugs cloaked in the disguise of a peace officers uniform. coorsion and treat are :NOT" Peaceable actions.

Anonymous says ... on Tuesday, May 12 at 9:11 AM

Did you happen to report it to the Portland PD? I know that they wouldn't do anything about it, but at least then it would have to have been publicly acknowledged. BTW, I 100% agree with you. The PD's just operate way above the law too much.

Get a life liberals says ... on Sunday, May 3 at 7:24 PM

Its called an interagency task force and it shouldn't matter. Oregon cops have jurisdiction in the entire state of oregon. Its private property anyway and you can't enforce parking laws on private property. Get alife loser. yes, you LOSER.

Reading Ignorance is Bliss says ... on Tuesday, Mar 31 at 6:26 AM

Cops should always have their cars as close to them as possible because even cops on their downtime can get called in for an emergency. Cops should not threaten people with arrest when they are not doing anything illegal, just being stupid.

Finally says ... on Monday, Mar 30 at 1:49 PM

Perhaps Jessica should get a concealed handgun permit and take responsibility for protecting herself or eat elsewhere. Officers in a restaurant are a great deterrent to robbery and owners appreciate their presence. Stop complaining or get a lawyer.

Mayra says ... on Friday, Mar 13 at 2:08 AM

Annie just because they cops it doesn't give them the right to break the law if so where is the saple that they are setting for the community , so what we can get a ticket or get arrested for breaking the law but they could't that doesn't give them

Mayra says ... on Friday, Mar 13 at 2:01 AM

This cops need to somebody teach them a lesson because they should obey the rules too, so that means if they are not with their uniform are still going to do the same thing and get away with that sooooo wrong but their they some good cops that are ok

Ducks Fan says ... on Thursday, Mar 12 at 11:03 PM

My father was in law enforcement for 30 years and wouldn't dream of abusing his power no matter how slight the abuse was. These cops are LAZY and WRONG!

Jenzo says ... on Friday, Mar 6 at 5:35 PM

I think they have a right to park wherever they want as long as they are driving in that car and have on that badge. Lunch break? I dont see anything wrong with it. Police ARE the law and I still respect them for all they do.

Bored with Ignorance says ... on Tuesday, Feb 17 at 2:42 PM

You don't get it... they were working in PDX... marked and unmarked cars, mention of gangs, a deputy on camera, you know, interagency task force? Do they not get to take a break? Think about these comments the next time you safely go about your day.

So sad to bad says ... on Monday, Feb 16 at 5:37 PM

Its all about the money in portland courts and government.And we are not afford the same rights as written in the constitution .

so sad to bad says ... on Monday, Feb 16 at 5:31 PM

Oh my they give out tickets like you change your underwear.Any time any where.They do think their above the law.Ask anybody at the courts see how many people tell you that they where not speeding or they where not in the wrong do a survey.

B.J.D. says ... on Monday, Feb 16 at 4:44 PM

Again, did you find out the law enforcement officers received permission from the restaurant to park there? If the police parked in front of a fire hydrant or restricting access that could be a safety issue, that would be another issue.

Mad Dogg says ... on Monday, Feb 16 at 11:33 AM

They were off-duty taking a break. Its not like they were going to respond to a Gresham call and they had to quickly get into their vehicles. They should have respected the restaurants parking policies and abide the rules just like everyone else does

Bored with Ignorance says ... on Monday, Feb 16 at 10:03 AM

and about being a cop because you couldn't get another job, I dare you to go for a ride in a police car for just a few hours and in a bad neighborhood.. These officers deal with things that would curl you up in a ball and have you sucking your thumb

Bored with Ignorance says ... on Monday, Feb 16 at 9:59 AM

Now if this guy is Mr. good citizen, why didn't he first try to talk with the officers instead of putting it on tape? Tell me, when was the last time you approached someone with a bad attitude and they wanted to have a nice conversation?

Bored with Ignorance says ... on Monday, Feb 16 at 9:57 AM

Not to mention that if you attempt to conceal an audio recording device and audio record in person it is ILLEGAL and you can be arrested. The officers may have to face being towed if they didn't get permission, but it wasn't illegal to park there..

Bored with Ignorance says ... on Monday, Feb 16 at 9:54 AM

Hey, are there any of you who have a problem with this checking your facts? Interagency GANG task forces are dealing with very frequent and deadly shootings in PDX and East County not to mention the multitude of other reasons to be in Portland.

Anonymous says ... on Sunday, Feb 15 at 2:29 PM

Is it public records to see if they were on the clock or if after this ..they changed thier clock in time to say they had two lunches? Hmm.. can I ask to get my taxes paid back to me from there pay check? There are two kinds of MEN. One that suffers

PDX_Medic says ... on Sunday, Feb 15 at 12:44 AM

...cell phones announce their capability to record sound and can not be considered concealed audio interception devices if they are visible..." This incident, to me, is an outrage! RE: http://media.portland.indymedia.org/media/2008/12/383133.pdf

PDX_Medic says ... on Sunday, Feb 15 at 12:41 AM

In the Know: Negative, when the officer asked if he was being recorded and the subject with the camera said yes, the officer was informed. The fact of recording was not concealed and the City of Portland's standing is: "today's video cameras and...

You'reTheClown says ... on Saturday, Feb 14 at 9:24 PM

Tourist, wouldn't it make sense for the officer to say, "Thanks for your concern, but we park here so we have quick access to our vehicles in case we are called to a life/death emergency." Instead he says it's illegal to have record of hi low IQ.

You'reTheClown says ... on Saturday, Feb 14 at 8:10 PM

Annie...are you suggesting that these officers can't eat in "peace" without breaking the law? Btw, this citizen put themself in harms way and volunteered his time to recorded this event, so that the rest of us could see our tax dollars at waste.

Anonymous says ... on Saturday, Feb 14 at 5:22 PM

I personally have more of a problem with the officers reaction to the incident versus the illegal parking. Perfect example of why many citizens fear interaction with out law enforcement, for this very reason! Completely ridiculous to intimidate him

In the Know says ... on Saturday, Feb 14 at 1:50 PM

PDX Medic: You need to do some more research. If you watch at the video, you can hear that the officer asks the person filming if he is audio recording him. Therefore it is obvious he was not informed this was happening. Making it illegal.

get real says ... on Friday, Feb 13 at 9:29 PM

To: Annie. You really are out there. The only reason cops are cops is because they could not possibly get jobs anywhere else. Whatever you're on must not be illegal. Check yourself in, girl and then you can volunteer!!

get real says ... on Friday, Feb 13 at 9:20 PM

To:Get your facts straight . You really need to get your facts straight. It was not illegal to film the incident. It was clearly posted what the owner of the parking lot would do to trespassers. No exclusions or exceptions!!!

runlikethewind says ... on Friday, Feb 13 at 6:22 PM

I agree with BS30! If these are Gresham police and they're eating at Lloyd Center, it doesn't seem like they're too concerned with getting an urgent call of duty.

PDX_Medic says ... on Friday, Feb 13 at 5:53 PM

In response to BS30: We only know that one of the officers were from Gresham for sure. There were two unmarked police vehicles there as well. Often officers from agencies outside of Portland meet in Portland with Portland officers for official biz.

BS30 says ... on Friday, Feb 13 at 4:44 PM

Does anyone truly believe that these officers are going to walk into Denny’s and ask if they can take up their customer parking so they can eat at a competitors restaurant?

BS30 says ... on Friday, Feb 13 at 4:43 PM

Red Robin at Lloyd Center is in Gresham? I certainly hope these officers weren’t on duty if they chose to drive in to Portland to eat. Anyone who makes the argument that these officers can park nearby to respond quickly, needs to check a map!

tourist says ... on Friday, Feb 13 at 4:16 PM

1 DAY WHEN YOU NEED THERE HELP AND THEY DONT SHOW BECAUSE THEY CANT FIND PARKING JUST REMEMBER THIS.

PDX_Medic says ... on Friday, Feb 13 at 3:47 PM

An officer, as a public official, is open to public scrutiny. So, my two cents... leave them alone, let them park where they need to... but do not let your rights get pushed aside either.

PDX_Medic says ... on Friday, Feb 13 at 3:45 PM

(c) These officers were NOT correct, it is NOT illegal to film a communication with the officer. The person filming was "a participant in the coversation" and "all parties were informed of the intercept."

PDX_Medic says ... on Friday, Feb 13 at 3:43 PM

There are several points here... (a) The private property owner can make exception to parking policy, as already stated. (b) These are emergency first responders and they should have their vehicles close at hand and any given time while on duty.

CB4 says ... on Friday, Feb 13 at 2:54 PM

maybe he is upset, but the cops could have went to osu and were there watching a game, and took his table.

B.J.D. says ... on Friday, Feb 13 at 1:52 AM

This whole story turned into a mess. The police parked on private property which the owner or management has the discretion to offer exception. Did you check on that? I agree with Fact Straight. Do read ORS 165.540 and 165.543.

common sense says ... on Thursday, Feb 12 at 11:52 PM

With the increase of crime against police, EMS, and fire across the U.S. (including PDX), poking around their cars would get their attention. In addition, would you be happy to call 911 and get hurt because they were delayed due parking farther away?

common sense says ... on Thursday, Feb 12 at 11:48 PM

It seems that there was more of a jealousy issue of GPD parking nearby and you couldn't. Did you think that they may have talked to Denny's ahead of time? As for the taping of they're cars...smart move genius.

ducksauz says ... on Thursday, Feb 12 at 9:49 PM

Annie - I appreciate their service, but their actions are morally wrong. Should private ambulance drivers park wherever they want? On-call ER Doctors? Private Security Guards? They should have parked ~2 blocks away legally or eaten elsewhere.

ducksauz says ... on Thursday, Feb 12 at 9:43 PM

Re: Facts - please review the following link in response to your comment; taping is indeed legal. http://media.portland.indymedia.org/media/2008/12/383133.pdf

ducksauz says ... on Thursday, Feb 12 at 9:42 PM

Re: Sceptical (sic) Sorry for any grammatical errors; you're overlooking the point. My concern is that public servants should act as upstanding characters, and should neither threaten nor intimidate citizens when they are documented doing otherwise.

Annie says ... on Thursday, Feb 12 at 7:45 PM

Why don't you use all the free time you apparently have to do some community service or something instead of bashing the people you may some day need to call for help. Let them eat in peace. I'd like to see you do their job!

Get Your Facts Straight says ... on Thursday, Feb 12 at 7:41 PM

The officer clearly told you that you could be arrested for illegally audio recording him which is actually against the law. For such an upstanding citizen as you claim to be, you should know that parking issues for restaurants are a private matter.

Sceptical says ... on Thursday, Feb 12 at 7:38 PM

I don't know what college you supposedly graduated from but it's hard to believe you made it past grade school with your grammar errors. Secondly, maybe you should get your memory tested since you refer to Jessica here and "Juanita" on youtube. Hmmm

Chet says ... on Thursday, Feb 12 at 5:57 PM

I wouldn't mind it so much since it's just a little perk of the job except for the fact that they have such an entitled attitude like "how dare you question me?!? I'll throw you in jail".

TeddyK says ... on Thursday, Feb 12 at 5:46 PM

Bilbo is right, I work with PPB officers and they do not abuse drugs. Maxtor Man is an idiot!

Billbo says ... on Thursday, Feb 12 at 5:44 PM

First off, I agree that the police officers should abide by the same laws that street citizens do. JohhnyRay, you obviously need to go back to school and learn to read..they are GRESHAM officers NOT PPB. With that, MaxtorMan PPB are good guys..jerk

bsk8bl says ... on Thursday, Feb 12 at 2:34 PM

You. Are. Awesome. Police officers, while taking lunch breaks, should respect the law like us regulars folks.

Maxtor Man says ... on Thursday, Feb 12 at 2:14 PM

Consider yourself fortunate you weren't shot by a steroid-abusing Gresham Cop. There are plenty of 'em on the Force. Portland Police requires their officers to abuse steroids, cocaine and other illegal drugs. It's a condition of employment.

johhnyRay says ... on Thursday, Feb 12 at 1:07 PM

Wow- gotta love the Portland Police- I've been dealing with the Red Robin ordeal for YEEEAAARS, and local law enforcement using those spots. What a set of brass ones to then take you outside and threaten arrest, confiscation, etc... THANKS PPD!

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